• ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org
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    3 days ago

    I don’t understand, sorry. what I meant is the way you as the user do upgrades. you grab a terminal, elevate and run the system update command (zypper refresh, zypper update). major version upgrades are more complicated.

    I can do this sure. But this is not noob friendly the slightest. and the YaST graphical tools don’t make it much better either.
    I won’t say that the update system of windows is good because why the fuck does searching for updates minutes, and other reasons. but the UI of it is much better. it tells you what will it update, it has a button for starting the process, an automatism for it too. there’s also a menu for the update history.

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      3 days ago

      Not sure when the last time you used openSUSE but the reason why I think it’s noob-friendly is you don’t need a terminal to update the system (talking about the KDE version here). When there is an update a notification pops up, you go to system tray, click on the icon and do the updates. You can even see a list what’s been updating. It doesn’t even ask a password, probably thanks to polkit.

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        3 hours ago

        leap 15.4, with KDE.

        When there is an update a notification pops up, you go to system tray, click on the icon and do the updates.

        you mean the menu that will make your system unstable if you dont reboot immediately after updates?
        if I can remember, it also does not do it automatically, by which I mean there is no setting to make it automatic.

        to try to make it better I had to install a separate package, of which I have not found any information on suse documentation, to have the KDE built-in automatic update system.

        and it does not work.
        it restarts the system twice, after which zypper still says that all the updates need to be installed.

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          49 minutes ago

          you mean the menu that will make your system unstable if you dont reboot immediately after updates?

          Not sure what that is or what menu it is. But yeah, the updates are not automatic, you have to manually start it. That “must restart after the update” thing is related to systemd, not openSUSE.

          If someone wants an auto update system, that can be arranged with scripts. No idea where that could be done via GUI though. Sorry, I cannot check it right away since it’s not my system. I don’t use openSUSE or KDE myself.

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          3 days ago

          To be fair, that sounds like a driver issue rather than a desktop environment. But you can try though.

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            3 days ago

            Could be. What blows my mind is that both my PC and laptop work on Fedora, PopOS, Endeavour, and Bazzite out of the box, but network is fully broken, LAN and WiFi.

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              3 days ago

              Does network work on those distros but not on openSUSE, or network doesn’t work at all?

              Maybe it’s a switch issue? Can you try sudo rfkill and see what’s the output?

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                2 days ago

                They work on any other distro I’ve tried. OpenSUSE is the only one that never gets an address. Static or DHCP, doesn’t make a difference. I’ll try again with your suggestion from a USB drive, since I don’t remember all the things I tried that did nothing to help. Thanks.

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                  2 days ago

                  No problem.

                  Hmm, if there was a soft-block or a hard-block that would affect all the other distros as well. In that case, trying from a Live ISO would indeed help. Maybe this could be something related to Network Manager. Can you check interfaces with ip a?

                  Also check if Network Manager running with systemctl status NetworkManager. If it doesn’t work, start it with sudo systemctl start NetworkManager, then chekc your connection again.