Pretty sure the actual CP played a bigger role in the sentencing
Yeah this is a scary, clickbaity headline meant to invoke a negative response about AI. AI is a tool, like a computer or pipe wrench. It can be used for good or bad.
The sicko got what he deserved, but the AI bit is rather over-the-top.
The part that freaks me out is more that he was in an influential position in children’s lives and he was making images of the specific children who were his patients.
This is unfortunately not that uncommon. Pedos often work in child focused jobs. Very disturbing, and that’s why background checks are important in those fields.
Not only pedos, in general sadistic people tend to try and get jobs which would give them the feeling of power over someone, and not all of them can be dictators, warlords, just politicians, even lowly prison guards or policemen, also cowardice is a factor. So - child-related jobs.
But, to be frank, I’m not sure background checks are going to do that much good. People of this kind tend to bunch together, help each other, and can either get past the radar rather easy or utilize these checks to discredit anybody who’d be a threat to them.
It’s a complex matter.
Which makes you wonder why religious groups can get around the requirements. I am actually not against say the Church of LDS spending money to provide free therapy for children I just want those therapists held to the same standards we hold regular therapists too. Which includes sexual background screenings.
Is it honestly that surprising? Just because they are sexually attracted to kids does not mean they cannot love kids on an emotional level. I don’t think it’s impossible that there would be pedophiles who both love children and recognize that sexual and intimate contact is reprehensible.
Put differently, I would much rather hear “child psychiatrist caught with computer-generated CSAM modeled after his patients” than “child psychiatrist caught with nude photos of his patients” or “child psychiatrist charged with sexual assault of a minor”. Comparatively speaking, the first is really just computer-assisted thoughtcrime, while the others mean there was actual direct harm to a child.
Although in this particular instance, child psychiatrist is a bit too close to the child, in my opinion.
Exactly, it’s not the AI bit, it’s the rest of the story about how this dude was in a position of power to exploit children (and did so) that’s just fucking sick.
Username totally checks out. Definitely not AI or a bot.
CP? What does that mean?
Child pornography.
I know people should usually google things, but that’s not something that someone should really have in their search history! Lol
How come you are already using a short form, how often do you talk about this kind of thing???
Its pretty well established what CP stands for.
CP got reworded to CSAM (child sexual abuse material) btw
afaik its because „porn“ is thought to imply consent
CSAM sounds like a cool weapons system, I dont want to tarnish that image nor believe that theres anyone out there who thinks “porn” implies consent, be it about kids or not
sorry
I wasn’t debating what it meant, just that my reality is way cooler than yours mate
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I know, thats why I said sorry. you disnt want to believe it, I showed you proof
I think it’s more to include anything that’s sexually abusive instead of what is just pornograthic.
He used a web based stable diffusion to generate CP. Absolute genius level move 😂
Things to never say before committing a crime:
“Wait, let me sign in with my Google account first.”
Our legal system basically relies on the fact that criminals are that stupid.
Same for our political system.
Healthcare should be built for assuming everybody is an idiot, but instead you need a degree in medical codes invoicing
Healthcare is built assuming everyone is an idiot.
People have been caught making bomb threats using their own phones. Some people are just not bright enough to be able to survive in this world.
It’s for people like them that you have to have signs everywhere that say things like, don’t stick your hand in the crushy grindy place, this hot water is hot, and don’t drink bleach you’ll die.
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You would be surprised how many absolutely idiotic Pedos are out there
People in general really. Some of the stuff your average person does on the internet and their devices absolutely stumps me, and I’m not even that tech savvy.
Ease of use, plus people anticipate that there will be much more “noise” drowning their activities out in the daily torrent of information. Then back to your point again, people are dumb and forget it’s relatively easy to lookout for certain things even with enormous data flow.
I really wouldn’t be surprised. I’ve seen the average person, so many idiots.
They should become a Republican speaker. Then they’ll get a TON of support from the Protect The Children crowd!
Or a pastor so the church can relocate them to a fresh batch of victims.
why the FUCK
Pedos are gonna pedo.
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Just chipping in with a technicical answer - a model can know what thing A is, also be shown a thing B, and compose the two. Otherwise models would never be able to display anything that doesn’t exist yet.
In this particular case, there’s stock imagery of children online, and there’s naked adults online, so a model can combine the two.
This case seems to be AI fear mongering, the dude had actual CP…
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Your claims backbone is that models don’t know the differences between a child’s naked body and an adults, yes?
What happens if you ask chat gpt “what are the anatomical differences between human child and adult bodies?”
I’m sure it’ll give you an accurate response.
To test DALL·E’s ability to work with novel concepts, the researchers gave it captions that described objects they thought it would not have seen before, such as “an avocado armchair” and “an illustration of a baby daikon radish in a tutu walking a dog.” In both these cases, the AI generated images that combined these concepts in plausible ways.
You genuinely don’t think CSAM is used in the training of these AI models…? And then you used a chat model to essentially google the differences in text and not visually?..
Why did you feel the need to jump in and defend stuff like this?
Didnt they then post a link showing that dall-e could combine two different things into something its never seen before?
Did you read the whole comment? Even if the text model describing things is irrelevant the dall-e part is not.
It is irrelevant. Armchairs are not people. Dali does not know what is inside of those objects. Or under their fabrics for instance. Ask Dali to cut open the Avacado armchair.
I’m sorry if I’m not buying your defense of CSAM.
But the Dali use case of “an illustration of a baby daikon radish in a tutu walking a dog" can’t possibly be the best example to use here to defend child porn.
I’m sorry if I’m not buying your defense of CSAM.
Thanks for making it clear you’re either arguing in bad faith, or that you’re incapable of talking about actual issues the moment anyone mentions CSAM.
Im sorry? My defense of CSAM?
What defence of CSAM?
Do you require mental assistance? You appear to be having some kind of aneurism…
The original comment said it’s impossible for a model to be able to produce CP if it was never exposed to it.
They were uninformed, so as someone who works with machine learning I informed them. If your argument relies on ignorance it’s bad.
Re: text model, someone already addressed this. If you’re going to make arguments and assumptions about things I share without reading them, there’s no need for me to bother with my time. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
Have a good one!
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Just like all the words you used to compose that sentence already existed and yet you made it yourself, language models can take tokens that they know generally go together and make original sentences. Your argument is that a dictionary exists, therefore authors are lying to everyone by saying that they wrote something.
Hey, just so you know, this guy is a crazy troll. He’s clocked 130 comments on his 9 hr old profile, and almost all of them are picking fights and deflecting. Save yourself the trouble. His goto line is “I don’t remember that”
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👆 Sarcasm and condescension
Jesus fuck
Blocking any/all users of the “it’s just art” and the “no kids were actually used so it’s not child pornography” crowds.
Christ, the comments just kept getting worse.
I mean for people that are providing a moral defense of this? Yeah, no, fuck them into the sun.
But from a legal perspective, that’s kind of the problem isn’t it? Because no kids are involved in the actual production of the images, this creates a huge legal question - isn’t this constitutionally protected in countries that have Freedom of Expression/Speech?
I mean this is obviously vile and this person is a danger to children… but would this be illegal in the USA and Canada and other countries that have freedoms that make it very difficult to prosecute this kind of speech?
There’s also the wrinkle that it’s being made of real people. Not just that it’s kids in general, but real, actual, specific kids. Most countries have some form of “use of likeness” protections, but that’s essentially making this into a copyright dispute, and a pretty grey one at that.
Not sure what laws the states or Canada have, but it’s considered child pornography if it’s a depiction of CSA, regardless of whether it’s an adult acting, or cartoons, or AI. I suspect at least some states in the US have similar laws.
I dont mind loli hentai but thats as far as im ok with the moment it looks real its a problem imo.
That’s an extremely limited take on it that I would expect from Sunday rags. “I have made up my mind, and since I decide, I will simply make sure that nobody gets to discuss this.”
Thanks, reddit, can you fuck off back there now?
Sorry we’re not interested in discussing child pornography as art, because we’re not disgusting pedophile apologists.
We aren’t making sure no one discusses this, you can have your nuanced discussions about child pornography with other pedophiles and pedo apologists, you won’t be having it with us.
This is so tiring. You’re just a fascist in disguise. You could belong to either side. The sheer fact that you are so easily flipped out over any topic of conversation makes it impossible to communicate either which way.
Wtaf are these comments.
Go home you sick fucks.
It’s worse than reddit up in here. At least the psychos calling AI CP “art” would be met with comments that would be upvoted even more, not down voted into the negatives.
I’ve been reporting them. That shit can go back to Reddit where it’s encouraged.
The lemmy.world instance is a strong proponent of this vibe I’ve found.
Pandora’s box has been opened.
Disgusting to know just how many people are sad, disgusting pieces of shit. CSAM is CSAM, virtual or real. The distinction does not matter.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“As a child psychiatrist, Tatum knew the damaging, long-lasting impact sexual exploitation has on the wellbeing of victimized children,” said US Attorney Dena J.
The trial evidence cited by the government includes a secretly-made recording of a minor (a cousin) undressing and showering, and other videos of children participating in sex acts.
“Additionally, trial evidence also established that Tatum used AI to digitally alter clothed images of minors making them sexually explicit,” prosecutors said.
“Specifically, trial evidence showed that Tatum used a web-based artificial intelligence application to alter images of clothed minors into child pornography.”
In prepared remarks [PDF] delivered at a US Senate subcommittee hearing earlier this year, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said, "GPT-4 is 82 percent less likely to respond to requests for disallowed content compared to GPT-3.5, and we use a robust combination of human and automated review processes to monitor for misuse.
A recent report from investigative organization Balkan Insight says groups like Thorn have been supporting CSAM detection legislation to make online content scanning compulsory in part because they provide that service.
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Would be good if we could use this for porn. It’s better than anyone actually being in porn. If AI takes over then less people would be trafficked and in the porn industry
Implying nobody enjoys making porn.
Didn’t
Some do but but a lot are forced into it.
What would help with sex trafficking is legalizing and regulating prostitution and destigmatizing it.
That doesn’t work worldwide
Regulating prostitution?
Because you think it is a normal, thought life style? A girl having a normal education (school, not abused during her youth, abandoned, fled war/guerrilla), eating to her fill would choose this path?!
So, because they had a rough life and choose to sell sex, they shouldn’t get workplace protections? Protection of the law?
Bet you think all drugs should be illegal as well.
Or maybe, providing them better opportunities in our societies than selling their bodies to a disgusting guy?!
Bet you think all drugs should be illegal as well.
i don’t know what you are smoking right now but it’s not helping you for dialog.
Could be that some people actually choose to do the work and if it was regulated and destigmatised, opinions like yours would disappear.
Yep, some hints are videos and stories of people asking the prostitute to clean their house or cook for them, only to be told to get lost…
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So, you’re okay with people making porn with your image? What about deepfakes of you committing rape? Or participating in CSAM?
People get trafficked for porn, CSAM solutions are being deployed around the world. But yeah I get your point. Either way, both options are fucked in general I guess
A bit sensationalist there - article states he’d videoed minors in sexual acts. Probably what got him his well deserved prison stint.
Though I must say, the AI part alone should be enough to rule him out of a career around kids!
I missed that paragraph when I skimmed the article. Thanks!
The trial evidence cited by the government includes a secretly-made recording of a minor (a cousin) undressing and showering, and other videos of children participating in sex acts.
Edit: also, I wondered how he got caught, but this was probably how.
In this case there are several crimes, but in the other one mentioned about a korean there is nothing, only possession of generated content arguing that there is high realism (someone could say the same even of a sketch). To imprison for acts that have neither victims nor any harm either directly or indirectly, is more aberrant than possessing that.
PS: I’m just talking about legality and rights, I know it’s controversial and I’m sure someone has something to argue against it, but if you’re going to accuse me of being a pedo just get lost you moron.
I look forward to the inevitable news story about an inmate crushing his skull with an exercise weight.
Yeah but they won’t report on that.
