Yeah that’s because they can’t sell your location data to the police.
Why not?
Because they have to comply with lawful subpoenas for free.
But they could still sell it for money if they wanted to, that was my point.
If it’s on sale the nsa probably bought it already to be honest
even if it wasn’t, NSA would’ve probably bought it already anyway
I could see them blocking it too maintain an exclusivity deal
Stole. The NSA steals data from companies like Google. That’s why, for example, everything in data centers and everything sent between them is encrypted.
And also because Google doesn’t sell data.
Hahaha. That’s a joke right?
Do they sell data or sell services using data they collect? Honest question.
I believe generally not. They sell the results of processed data, but the data is their golden goose. Why sell it wholesale, when you can charge for every use of it?
That’s what I thought. So they do in a sense sell our data but not directly.
I think they profile individuals and sell those profiles to ad companies, or in the case of google (ad company AND source of data) they pair ads to devices that fit a profile for the ad, like “rides a bike”, “risk averse”, “owns several cats” would be a profile for an ad selling cat bike seats that can hold 4 cats. That’s one way of using the data but there are many more, each more nefarious than the previous one, I guess culminating with Cambridge Analytica, especially their African endeavours.
Btw is your username in reference to the band can?
Btw is your username in reference to the band can?
Yes it is! You’re only the second person to catch that in my 6 months here.
Google is the ad company. They don’t sell their primary business advantage to competitors.
CA bought data from Facebook, not Google.
You’d be surprised how blatantly companies sell very personal data on a person. Google’s not going to do it openly because of pr, but a little subsidiary might
Google probably isn’t going to sell everything, but it’s pretty likely there’s an offshoot company who will sell individual data.
Their data is indeed their golden goose, but if they sell data for individuals at $300 or even $10 a pop, no one is going to get enough of their dataset to compete. They could even rate limit… Although if companies start to pay a billion or 10 to get full data dumps on a country, they might refocus on collection.
After all, the data isn’t the true golden goose… It’s the golden eggs that they process and sell. It’s their ability to collect data that’s most valuable
I challenge you to produce a shed of evidence that Google sells user data.
Here’s a list of examples where Google was examined by the courts The first search on the topic I’ve made
I don’t have a smoking gun for you, but I’ve got a dozen lawsuits saying that Google is lying about their assertion that they don’t sell user data
It’s not proof, but it’s very telling… I’m not saying that Google is directly selling user info, I’m saying that you can buy a list of credit card purchases made by any individual from Equifax for $200
Google isn’t selling information directly, but it sure as hell seems like they’re selling it indirectly
I haven’t looked into the issue deeply, but a casual search has only reinforced my opinion
Where do I go to buy a list of your location history off Google if it’s not true?
Ok I just went down a very deep internet rabbit hole and went from believing google definitely sells data to it doesn’t sell data to it sells data (kinda). I’d recommend this article on RTB’s which explains how google advertisements actually work and how they leak your data (including your location).
I’d also recommend watching the short video by Brave linked in the article - I didn’t understand the first part but the actual article explains it quite well, the end is the juicy part.
Hope this helps!
That was quite informative! Thank you for the article.
Welcome! :)
You don’t kill the golden goose.
Use Organic maps and continue contributing to openstreetmap
Have not heard of this but I’m looking into it now. Thanks!
Yeah street complete ( the app mostly used to contribute to osm) is really cool and a lot of fun
If you do crime, leave your phone at home
Yeah if you attend a protest, go to church or vote leave your phone at home.
Damn the world is getting crazy
For sure. It won’t be just Google authorities will be asking for your location data.
I feel like the vast majority of headlines about this stuff could use clarification of “without warrant.”
Why bother with Google when they can just ask your telco.
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Telco doesn’t have the same level of precision I think.
Yes and no
The Telco can say between what antennas you are. In urban areas with lots of antennas that’s still pretty accurate to almost say what building. Especially with 5G the number of antennas and accuracy go upto in some cases centimeter/inch accuracy so better than GPS. That last case would be in a mall with small antenna in each corridor.
In rural areas with data switched off that’s more like somewhere in that square mile, way worse than GPS.
They can still access it locally, if Google wanted to protect people then they wouldn’t store location data
How about the case where I explicitly want them to store my location data? I mean I really use and like that feature.
Then store it on the local device where its encrypted.
That’s what they’re doing now.
But it has been encrypted for years.
that is possible with the current google settings
it is not default. but it is possible.
Nah, that toggle is meaningless.
Evidence?
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I’m using this feature and am looking forward to it becoming on-device.
Like Apple, Google also doesn’t want competitors in collecting user data
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You’ll still have the option of syncing it to Google’s servers, but it will be encrypted there so only you can view the contents, not Google
Oh well, guess I’m still happy about this magic bag i got for going places I don’t want Google knowing about.
