Does anybody have the greentext that goes something like
Pirate game
Company loses $60 because it’s theft
Company regains $60 after deleting game from hard drive
Pirate one million copies, company bankrupt from massive theft
Buy insolvent company for cheap
Delete all game copies, company profitable again
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I am human, and this action was performed automatically.Maybe one of the tightest written indictments of IP law. Companies “losing” money when no money changes hands makes me laugh.
That’s the stock market, bay-bee!
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I love that, it’s almost like how banks make money with loans: create money out of thin air, lend it, profit.
The companies don’t need plebs to protect them. If anyone should be willing to lay their body for them it’s their shareholders.
yall, this dude tried signing up to my instance a few nights ago. yall wanna see why many communities have registration approvals? see below. warning for nsfw language
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Fuck I love the “ok” as deny reason…so simple, so beautiful.
Still laughing at the vast amount of people coming from reddit and expecting only chill people to be on lemmy. Like lemmy users are somehow immune to toxicity.
It’s less toxic overall but we (or mostly the moderators) will have to fight them all the time.
At least it will improve the moderation tools which is always a good thing.
When I realized it was that dude who tried signing up to my instance I lost my shit laughing, if he was screened prior it’s obvious he wouldn’t have gotten in. This is precisely what happens when you focus on growth over organically cultivating a healthy community.
I have no proof but I think lemmy.world will be monetized at some point.
If that is true in any way whatsoever, that is a completely moronic long term goal. Lemmy devs themselves have encouraged instances who do such a thing to defederate. I don’t see how realistically advertising or monetization would be done not only without immense privacy concerns that would likely affect the rest of the fediverse but without major protests and mass defederation. The backlash against it would be immense, not just on lemmy but across the fediverse itself.
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Those that even remotely consider scraping data on Mastodon consistently face intense harassment and criticism.
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Lemmy is like every social medium since the dawn of time: a cross-section of humanity… the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Are we going to find Ollie North’s gold?
Yet people complain when you use one of the few tools available to you, namely defederation lol
Deny Reason: ok
lol
The hell.
I mean if dude wanted to troll he succeeded really well ngl
yeah he caused huge arguments in the biggest instance, the guy is talented.
Too bad that “talent” is being a huge asshole and getting the biggest reactions possible, instead of something useful.
this world is not ready for two based gabes existing at the same time
What if we got a bunch of Josh’s to fight?
Registration approval should be on by default…
That is legitimately one of the most disgusting things I’ve read, what is wrong with this person, why would he write that as an application.
It came after I was arguing with weirdo antisemites in c/atheistmemes so I assume it was because of that but I have no idea and don’t really care to know that much
At least he was stopped at the registration level, it likely wouldn’t have been pretty if he was allowed to run wild there like he did on other places.
Lmao this is the guy that first lead to them banning the communities right?
Love that lemmy.world seems to be making their moderation strategy based off of a troll with at least 4 alts…
Props to him for fooling an entire instance
Honestly kinda legendary
Made them show their true face and flaws. Who knows, maybe the troll is even someone from their staff on an alt.
He didn’t fool anyone, he just seems to have caught them acting like hypocrites and made them either put up or shut up. If you want to enforce rules, you need to actually enforce the rules. If discussions of illegal things is against the rules that you made, then clearly an entire community built around illegal piracy is against the rules. Him pointing that out is a big-brain move that you would hope the admins would have gone “ah you got us. We’ll change that rule to not be so restrictive”, but instead they went “well shit, we’ll remove it instead of changing our stupid rules”.
Fooled you, you’re literally replying to the same person on an alt.
BungieFan->HaloMasyerChiefDidn’t fool me though because it doesn’t matter who wrote what I replied to.
What a fucking loser crying about intellectual property. Love live piracy and anarchy. Be gay do crime! 🏴 🏴☠️ 🏳️🌈 🏳️⚧️ yo ho ho 🦜
its actually amazing how internet culture went from this anarcho-utopianism where information just wants to be free, maaan to reddit style races to the normie bottom. who gives a shit about intellectual property other than bowtie spinning economist dickheads and the beltway lanyard class?
for real! I just noticed a show I wanted to watch Star Trek: Prodigy has been removed from Paramount+ for no fucking reason. The only reason I have that shit is because i’m a huge trekkie and I want them to make more and I think that Paramount+ is the only way they make any money for Trek and my roommate pays for it. Thank for for torrents. The show isn’t even watchable from any streaming service atm so I HAVE to pirate it. Normally I don’t for Star Trek simply because of how many episodes all the shows are combined but fuck it.
If I’d want to rewatch Babylon V, I’d pirate it. Same for Star Wars (not even talking about despecialized editions, I just don’t want to give a dime to Disney).
for sure
Piracy of software is always moral in the face of proprietary software.
They have stolen so much from us that we have all right to revolt.
Intellectual property is denial of media rights to the public.
Theft is justified in the face of capitalism.
Those who live in precarity, poverty, homlessness or hunger are justified to do whatever violence is required to survive.
I buy most of my content, steam mostly for games, have spotify, buy music from bandcamp for DJ sets, at least my favorites, have family netflix, HBO, disney +, although I don’t use those as much since they are mostly full of crap. Sometimes I even buy/rent a movie if it is not available in those and I can’t find any torrent, or just out of convenience. I produce music and buy all my audio software (ableton and fuckton of plugins) because I don’t want to deal with the hassle of using pirated versions. I buy ebooks every now and then too, although with that I also admittely pirate some, especially when the author is dead, in which case I really don’t feel any guilt for pirating it. I also use patreon often and support creators that way.
I still think piracy needs to be an option, so streaming services can’t have their way and we are just forced to use their enshittified platforms. I avoid it, because I understand not everything can be open source, and nothing get’s done without revenue. I don’t pirate from small authors/creators.
All the while musicians get basically fucking nothing from huge streaming services profiting from their labor. Series get cancelled left and right despite good reception because they were not profitable enough, although still profitable, because netflix is only interested making next big hit. Games are filled with microtransactions and kernel level tracking (anti cheat), forced online features in single player game and sometimes games one bought are just made unavailable, like with old mobile games (case in point, dead space mobile). Professional software is often moved to predatory subscription models and paywalled updates to the software, like Avid, Waves.
And people still cirlejerk about piracy being the worst thing to intellectual property ever. Problem isn’t piracy, problem is small creators are payed so little from listens/views/whatever that the can barely get by, and have to make alternate source of income via patreon or some other stuff. Piracy won’t even make a dent in that.
Luckily in every category some people/companies are pushing back but all of this is just case in point why we need piracy. When I get around releasing music/games, I don’t mind piracy at all, might even put my own tunes on pirate sites out of spite. Current intellectual property laws are fucking joke and only benefit the largest creators in their respective fields.
After Adobe fucking me out of thousands, I swore I’d make sure I never gave them another cent. if there weren’t greedy scumbags I would’ve paid for upgrades (hundreds of bucks) to the master collection every 5-10 years. Now, because that wasn’t enough for them, they’ll never EVER get another dime from me. I encourage pirating their shit because fuck them. What they did to their customers was unconscionable. When I called to ask them to make this right, after essentially breaking their promise to me that this enormous purchase was an investment, their best offer? 25% of my first year of cloud. Lol… Would’ve still felt like the shaft of they gave it to me free for 5 years.
You can summarize that in just simply saying: capitalism is the problem. Just with anything else, capitalism doesn’t care to give us the best entertainment, it simply will benefit the ones with the most profit. So long we live under capitalism, this will be the underlying problem. Capitalism doesn’t care about what people want or need.
Same. I make good money today and I can pay for the stuff I use, but when I get some nostalgia and feel like playing a game from my childhood like The Little Samson, my only option is to go cry on a corner because the game isn’t available anywhere and is worth 3 thousand dollars minimum - which even if I paid would never go to the folks who made the game anyway.
When I was a teenager I couldn’t afford anything. I didn’t even had a computer or a video-game of my own, I started working at a Lan house when I was 14 just to be able to afford an occasional snack. I played a bunch of SNES games at that time thanks to emulators - if piracy wasn’t an option I would never have played them and probably wouldn’t have gotten into videogames that much. 6 years later I managed to buy a DS and a couple games. Since then I’ve bought several consoles and a ton of games for each of them. Nintendo made several thousand dollars from me over the years and that would never have happened if I didn’t have access to SNES pirated games 20 years ago.
I even got to make a game of my own now, which directly benefitted from piracy as well, as I noticed a bunch of people playing pirated versions on YouTube, with comments on those videos mentioning they liked it and bought it. My main concern related to piracy at that time was that those players were not getting bug fixes and new stuff I added to the game.
In truth, there is no downside to piracy - it’s a net gain for everyone involved as long as the paying customers get to have a better, more comfortable experience with not having to deal with any hassle to consume your content. But if you make it harder for me to consume your content than the high seas does, well that’s on you.
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Ah, reading these comments make me feel like I’m back on Reddit.
Yup. Folks looking for stuff to be salty about. Those admins were protecting their hides and had every right to do so. Hosting carries risks. What could have been handled better was communicating this (a day or three beforehand + not on Discord lmao). The people acting like this is some sort of unforgivable problem are just being dorks. Don’t like it? Pop onto a new instance. It’s easy and is a perfect example as to why Lemmy is great.
Edit: Worth mentioning that the piracy community is among the most active groups on the entire platform. As a viable alternative to reddit, I don’t think piracy being the face of Lemmy is a great look. Newcomers may start on LW and never need or want this community. Those who want it WILL find it.
Huh, wow, someone talking sense on the subject and not getting downvoted to oblivion.
Some instances will be more averse to legal risk than others. Some will also lean more towards “censorship” (showing bigots the door) whilst others will be “free speech encouraged” (full of them). That’s the beauty of the fediverse. Pick your poison. Why go all pitchforks and DDOS attacks etc against an instance that doesn’t share your values when it’s piss easy to just switch to one that does?
(I’m somewhere down the middle on the piracy subject. I believe in supporting small individual developers trying to feed their kids. But Adobe and the like can go fuck themselves)
I’ve even been seeing the old “could you kindly (deliberately obtuse bad-faith request to “prove” something “objectively” where any evidence given is a “biased” source or “has a narrative”)” sea lioning tactic. They even do the smug “I’ll wait” follow-up line.
One even asked me to objectively prove that they were sea lioning and threw a slang dictionary at me (that for some reason only included a weird and obscure “stalker” definition and not the bad faith evidence demands) in a way that was sea lioning the idea of sea lioning.
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And that’s how you became the president of Norway!
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But do you have enough that you knew that Norway doesn’t HAVE a president and never did? 🤔
My own ancestry, living family and self is exclusively Scandinavian (specifically Danish), going all the way back to the 1400s, hence the first half of my username 😁
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I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions. However, most of the arguments are pretty sound, and I can’t imagine working that hard making new accounts just to argue in favor of movie/record studios that have exploited artists for as long as they have existed.
The “filthy” line was just funny to me lol
I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions.
That’s not been my experience. I always see people advocating for paying for games/media when it comes from indie devs etc. And there is a difference between piracy and outright theft of artwork which is then profited from, I.e. a company steals small artists work and puts it on t-shirts - very few “pro-piracy” people, if any at all, are advocating for that.
At the end of the day, pirates do it because they either have very little money or they’re smart and want to retain the money they have. Then there are anti-copyright people, which is cool too.
Then there are the people who don’t really know what’s going on but claim some moral standing surrounding piracy. I can actually feel them coming, fuck…
 Well that has often been my experience, but I’m not going to pretend that my experience as everyone is.
For instance, I see a lot of really ridiculous arguments claiming it’s for archiving.” First of all, they do not follow archival procedures. Second, they are not working with any known archiving organizations. Thirdly, they are not using what they have “archived” in any manner that could be considered “for the public good.“ Unless you want to count seeding it back out, but that argument can become pretty recursive pretty quickly. 
It also just so happens they are archiving mostly - if not entirely - the games they want to play, the shows they want to watch, and the movies they want to watch. It’s awfully curious how much the venn diagram of “archiving for the public good” and “what I want to enjoy” resembles a circle lol.
My point being, there are arguments in favor of piracy, most of which i agree with. But I see a lot of disingenuous ones from people who are clearly just doing it because they feel entitled to the media. I would rather they were just honest about their intentions instead of feeding me nonsense talking points that even they don’t believe. Otherwise it just reeks of justifying their actions (poorly) instead of just saying “I have nothing to justify.”
Well in that case I agree with you.
People should pirate what they want without making excuses.
Bingo. Own the act, then explain it to folks without being defensive or straight up lying to yourself.
When it comes to art, there’s always somebody who doesn’t make it financially. Too few sold albums, too few downloads, too little merch sold. Some artists are always going to struggle and barely stay afloat making art, while the ones doing marinally worse are gonna quit and do something else.
The number of these people for whom piracy - or any other small loss of revenue for that matter - tips the scale doesn’t depend on how many people pirate stuff.
The actual difference piracy makes is the 0.2% (or whatever) dent in revenue which then means ~ 0.2% of potential artists end up working in other industries.
When deciding whether or not use someone’s art without their permission, it behooves one to consider the ethics. Whether you come to a different conclusion than I do is whatever, but not every case is exactly the same, and to dismiss the people on the other side of the equation with made-up numbers pulled from thin air is not the proper way to go about it.
The argument doesn’t really hinge on the made-up numbers, it would be the same if you swapped 10% in there.
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They never think on the people they affect. They just want free things all the time claiming imaginary problems like the government and companies steal from them, like bro, that’s just how capitalism works if you don’t like it go to rusia, Venezuela and see how they’re doing
Found the loser in the screenshots alt lmaooo get a life my guy
Someone posted on another comment, the guy in the screenshot takes always the same name for his accounts. I just agree with him
My feelings are far more nuanced than this. Suffice to say I do not agree with you when you paint with such broad strokes.
Yes some people just want free shit, I think most people would acknowledge that. But when you get too boilerplate about piracy and don’t explore the topic, you’re no better than those who make up disingenuous reasons for why they never need to consider what they are pirating and who it may impact.
Sounds a like a fucking corpo plant.
Still, one of the key aspects of piracy is discreteness and these debates and notoriety don’t help with that. Piracy does not look for you, you look for it, if you know how to find out how. The last thing I want is for every single Lemmy thread about netflix to have a top comment saying piracy is better than streaming.
piracy is better than streaming
You’re telling me, buddy :D and not just for the obvious reasons that bring us to this community, some stuff on hard disks is also better than the “cloud”.
It just looks like some Lemmy users are falling for an obvious troll.
the lemmy.world admins specifically fell for it, since they did block this community.
Wow. Hats off to him. Guess the lemmy.world admins aren’t are smart as they should be,.
they have been doing a lot of weird moves lately
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you bet they are, it took them a month to “communicate” and “decide with community” to defed exploding heads, allowing them to grow 3x in the meantime, entire week for rammy site, but hexbear, a much larger instance that wasn’t caught proselytizing outside, got defederated “preemptively”. what the fuck is this bullshit?
they do have pretty strong biases, but i’m guessing they got caught in their own circlejerk that tells them that all of that is normal. just look at any pinned post on .world and go into comments
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Why did they defederated in the first place? Did something happens with another instance due to copyright problems? Or they just got scared for no reason?
To be clear they just blocked the piracy community, it isn’t a full defederation from dbzer0
Lemmy.world has a rule against illegal content. This troll was trolling and got mad at dbzer0 for banning them. The troll then demanded the admins of lemmy.world defed from dbzer0 because piracy is illegal, and they blocked this and several other piracy communities at the troll’s request.
And the Shrooms community, which moved to !Shrooms@sh.itjust.works
It’s such an obvious over the top troll too guys, come on
Neat! Deeply ineffective communication! Starting to feel more like reddit by the day!
There was a short time at the beginning of the user influx on Lemmy were it actually felt friendly. Now everyone starts getting mad again. I think it’s in part because the critical mass of edgelords and otherwise hateful people has been reached. And it’s contagious or something.
It’s honestly hilarious every time someone tells me to go back to Reddit
Yeah, people are starting to catch on that federation for a Reddit style platform is not a good idea. Who knew it was actually deeply deeply flawed and poorly thought out?
What is the best alternative in your opinion?
A new federated platform that is self-run, hosts your identity only and allows you to interact from websites from your own app on your own phone or computer, to start. None of this signing up 500 trillion accounts for each and every website garbage.
No more Lemmy instances hosting content from other servers. The content should be downloaded from the server you’re trying to interact with to the user’s system, and only what little content the user chooses to see, and is deleted like a cache as soon as the user closes it out.
No more fucking downvoting 😠
One account, one unique cryptographic identifier or ID tied to machines so people can’t make alt accounts or botnets
There’s a LOT Lemmy and the fediverse as a whole needs to fix
I agree with most of this, although I think that downvotes are an important part of platforms like these. They allow shit takes to get their visibility reduced.
That’s the whole problem. No one’s posts should be affected by the opinions of others and the fact that they are incentivizes all of the problems we are facing. People are making alts, brigadeering and building botnets to get around being downvoted and that breaks the system.
Downvotes are not legitimate in any way at all except that they make people feel better and we can’t build a future based on such auspices.
The main issue is this:
Say 1,000 people are arguing over an issue with 10 different sides, on a platform where you can upvote as many comments as you want. 250 people agree with one side, and the other nine sides have no more than 150 people in agreement. In this case, the comment arguing this side would have 250 points.
Now, in a system without downvotes, this would rise to the top. However, say all 750 other people disagree with the side and can downvote it. In this case it would have -500 points. Let’s also say that the 250 people in agreement with this point also downvote all the other comments that disagree with them (in true Reddit fashion). The second most popular opinion would be sitting at -100 points. Basically, downvotes allow massively unpopular opinions to be shoved to the bottom.
Bots and brigading are significant problems that need attention on platforms such as these, but removing downvotes isn’t the answer.
That presumes downvotes represent honest disagreement, which we both know and I have proven they don’t.
Because now one asshole with 500 different alts across the fediverse can take any post he wants and massively downvote it, enforcing consequential action against opinions he doesn’t like, and no one is the wiser.
That’s why we deal with the one having 250 upvotes, and give 500 upvotes to whoever disagrees with it, letting that opinion rise to the top instead.
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A new federated platform that is self-run, hosts your identity only and allows you to interact from websites from your own app on your own phone or computer, to start. None of this signing up 500 trillion accounts for each and every website garbage.
But Lemmy can literally do this. I am doing it right now. I’m the only user on my instance.
It’s done in the most ass way possible and isn’t really suited for being an app for one individual. We need one specifically made for like one person.
How would the content get on the server?
This guy would put it there
Fuck intellectual property, all my friends hate the intellectual property
“Intellectual property” is a corpo term, and using it accepts their framing. They’re trying to conflate copyright, trademark, and patent law with property law.
I mean, that’s exactly what all three of those were intended to do – carry property law over into a domain where it clearly doesn’t make sense. so it’s fully
. none of them should exist.Seconded. Enclosing the commons and doing a little primitive accumulation to actual knowledge. Love when a private corporations own colors, random snippets of genome, common words and phrases, and endless inventions that they’re squatting on to ensure they don’t compete with their own products.
