A 7/10 is basically a complete failure, so why didn’t reviewers take my feelings into account before publishing their scores?

  • UKFilmNerd@feddit.ukEnglish
    67·
    1 year ago

    Back in the old days of 8bit computing, I remember a few magazines used to explain their scoring system.

    Most magazines reviewed a game out of ten. A score of five would be an average. The game is just ok. Not brilliant but not terrible either.

    A great game would be an eight or nine. Very rarely would a game receive a ten as that indicates perfection.

    In today’s world, the way people talk, it feels like a game needs at least an 8 (or 80%) or it’s not even worth touching.

    • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      41·
      1 year ago

      Duke: Why the hell do you have to be so critical?

      Jay: I’m a critic.

      Duke: No, your job is to rate movies on a scale from good to excellent.

      Jay: What if I don’t like them?

      Duke: That’s what good is for.

    • bermuda@beehaw.orgEnglish
      32·
      1 year ago

      It’s similar with movies and TV. I think a lot of people see a 50% rottentomatoes or a 5.0/10 on IMDB and automatically assume it’ll be unenjoyable, but that isn’t always the case in reality.

      • Mothra@mander.xyz
        7·
        1 year ago

        I’m not a fan of RT because I find their critic score absolutely meaningless. IMDB is much better for me, I find the average people score rating usually matches my appreciation of a movie. I am trying hard to remember a single movie with a score of 5/10 that I enjoyed though.

        • Erk@cdda.socialEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          Rt critic scores are, imo, one of the best rating scales. Think of it as a percentage chance a fairly average movie watcher is going to like this movie. It’s not saying “this movie is 75% good”. It’s 3/4 reviewers felt it was worth watching, and does not comment on if they thought it was amazing or just okay. Marvel stuff tends to score high because mostly, despite not being some peak cinema, it provides an entertaining experience that earns a passing grade from most people. Movies that are more niche tend to get a lower score but that doesn’t mean they’re bad, just more niche.

          I like this because it’s easy to understand what it means with a little research. Most game scores don’t do that and I find it annoying

          • almar_quigley@beehaw.org
            2·
            1 year ago

            The problem is that system lends itself to promoting bland but popular films. Like marvel movies. But gems have a much harder time on RT.

      • lloram239@feddit.de
        6·
        1 year ago

        IMDB is especially useless when it comes to comedies, they hardly ever reach a 7/10. Hot Shots - 6.7/10, Ghostbusters2 - 6.6/10, Naked Gun 33 1/3 - 6.5/10, Gremlins 2 - 6.4/10, there is a whole lot of amazing movies hidden in the 6-7/10 range.

        • gowan@reddthat.com
          4·
          1 year ago

          The thing is most comedies aren’t great. The films you listed were all just ok in their times except Hot Shots which was a great spoof film but was not a great film overall.

      • Elkenders@feddit.uk
        3·
        1 year ago

        Yeah, especially for the way Rotten scores are made. Some of the most divisive work is the most interesting.

        • UKFilmNerd@feddit.ukEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          I don’t like the whole Rotten Tomatoes thing or judging a film by it’s box office numbers. If it looks interesting, watch it yourself and make up your own mind. 😊

    • Squiddles@kbin.social
      14·
      1 year ago

      Broadly, I agree with what you’re saying. Totally just devil’s advocate-ing and speculating to provoke thought, so feel free to ignore. I wonder if the enormous number of games available plays into this. I can almost always dig around and find at least one 10/10 game from the last couple of years that I haven’t played which is already on sale for cheap. Comparing that to a 7/10 game that just came out at full price… I’d almost certainly enjoy the 7/10 game, but I’d spend less money and likely have more fun with the 10/10. The newness factor may not be enough to bump the 7/10 game to the top of the queue.

      With so many great games available an 8/10 might actually feel like a logical minimum for a lot of people, which may influence the scale that reviewers use. If people tend to ignore games with 7- scores and a reviewer feels that a game is good enough that it deserves attention, they may be tempted to bump it up to 8/10 just to get it on radars.

      Meanwhile, back in the day there wasn’t such a glut of games to choose from. And with better QoL standards, common UX principles, code samples, and tools/engines, games may legitimately just be better on average than they used to be, making it fiddly to try to retrofit review scores onto the same bell curve as older games. To reverse it, I can see how an 8/10 game released in 1995 might be scored significantly worse by modern reviewers for lack of QoL/UX features, controls, presentation style, etc, or even just be scored lower because in modern times it would lack the novelty it had at the time it was released.

      • rjh@beehaw.org
        12·
        1 year ago

        This ignores subjectivity. What is a 7/10 for most gamers could easily be a 10/10 for a specific type of gamer. Rather than focusing on review scores people should focus on the niche of games that they really enjoy.

        • Shurimal@kbin.social
          4·
          1 year ago

          And this is why I don’t read opinions from general review/gaming sites. For example, I judged whether I’ll play Starfield purely on overviews from YouTube creators who focus on Bethesda RPG-s (Camelworks, Fudgemuppet et al) and space exploration games (Obsidian Ant). The opinions of FPS folks, Fromsoft freaks and D&D diehards is irrelevant🙃

          Or, as I’ve always said, if 2001: A Space Odyssey was made today, it would score 4/10 on IMDB and people would complain that it’s a slow slogfest with no action and boring dialogue.

        • tburkhol@beehaw.org
          2·
          1 year ago

          Not to mention the subjectivity of what “7” means. I’ve tallied enough judges ratings to know that some people treat 5 as average, some people treat 8 as OK, and some treat anything below 7 as failing.

      • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        1 year ago

        I don’t see older games being rated lower as a problem. Yes standards rise over time as games and technology gets better, that’s fine! If you took a mediocre modern AAA game and showed it to a reviewer 20 years ago, I’ll bet all my money it would be game of the year.

        It makes more sense to let standards rise and adjust reviews to still keep a reasonable rating scale.

    • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
      3·
      1 year ago

      That’s why when it come to score, i just look at the total score to see how many people dig the game, and only watch/read review that doesn’t include scoring and might have similar taste as me, and only read negative review in steam to see whether i can put up with the bad part of the game.

  • bermuda@beehaw.orgEnglish
    27·
    1 year ago

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to posting the personal phone number of a Twitch streamer because I found out that she has a boyfriend in real life.

    this made me lol

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
    21·
    1 year ago

    Beautiful. I’m playing it now and gotta say, I hate everyone who has talked about it up until now. From the die-hard fanboys who say it has to be the best game ever created, to the anti-bethesda circlejerkers who roam every gaming community telling people how it’s a terrible game even though they have not played it.

    I’m tired of everyone and their opinions about gaming. I bought it with mid expectations, and I am happy with my purchase.

    • DarkThoughts@kbin.social
      12·
      1 year ago

      Honestly, the game is exactly what I expected from all the pre-release info. It’s a Bethesda RPG in space. I didn’t expect a space sim, so I didn’t expect any sort of dynamic streaming for seamless planetary transitions and the likes, because they very clearly stated that this wasn’t a thing.

      And the capital G Gamers seem to be more bothered by pronouns, body types, female leaders, all the “replaced white people”, etc. lol
      Seriously, stay away from the Steam forums folks.

      • stopthatgirl7@kbin.socialOP
        1·
        1 year ago

        And the capital G Gamers seem to be more bothered by pronouns, body types, female leaders, all the “replaced white people”, etc. lol

        Capital G Gamers were a mistake.

      • Erk@cdda.socialEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Whenever anyone calls me by my “they them” pronouns in game, a tiny juvenile part of me chuckles at the Gamerz out there who I’m sure are frothing at the mouth at the fact that I can play a single player game how I want.

        • DarkThoughts@kbin.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          I was considering using they / them for a second, just for shits & giggles, but then thought it’s likely not even really used in a lot of dialogs anyway (very much true after many hours later now). In hindsight it would have probably just confused me though, thinking they talk about someone else. Because I am super tired from literally playing too much, which completely fucks with my concentration & attention span. lol

    • powerofm@lemmy.ca
      3·
      1 year ago

      Same. I know game reviews have been getting worse lately, but the whole discourse around Starfield feels particularly terrible.

    • strongarm@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      2·
      1 year ago

      Isn’t this the outcome from it all?

      Rational people who aren’t fanboys or haters buy and play games with low expectations, and are rarely disappointed.

    • gk99@beehaw.org
      5·
      1 year ago

      it really was just “another Saints Row game” but with better characters.

      This is sarcasm, right? If it were even close to that we all would’ve loved it. To me, it felt like the worst parts of later SR games mashed up with a desperate attempt to replicate Watch_Dogs 2’s vibe. I don’t play Saints Row to play as a dude trying to pay off their student loans while fighting “gangs” that have access to random bullshit technology like neon batons that spin real fast and deflect bullets. That’s the type of stuff that should’ve stayed in Agents of Mayhem with its far less grounded setting.

    • • milan •@feddit.nl
      2·
      1 year ago

      My computer is providing a pretty neat little metaphor for how I expect those talks will go at a lot of outlets. Will there be room for two massive RPGs? Will some opt to make room for Starfield while others go for Baldur’s Gate 3? Will Tears of the Kingdom take up the space they otherwise would have occupied? Or will another game that hasn’t been released yet plant its flag in the proverbial hard drive?

      Way to deliberately miss the point.

  • lagomorphlecture@beehaw.org
    16·
    1 year ago

    I normally avoid clicking on links and instead form my opinions based entirely on the comments, but in this case I went ahead and clicked. This article really spoke to me. I feel like this author truly gets me. What a joy to read. 10/10.

  • supercriticalcheese@feddit.it
    6·
    1 year ago

    I prefer the rock paper shotgun approach of not having any review scores whatsoever. I’d rather read why something is good or not than the other way around.