Thats why i never buy their shit after having one laptop with one of their graphics.
Worst part? I’m still using that laptop, im doing troubleshooting right now.
Anyone else?
The context seems to be missing.
Not an nvidia dev, but so far all my cards been nvidia, went over a quite a few of them, both laptop and desktops. In my experience they just work once you install proprietary drivers and the only type of a problem is when ubuntu silently decides to upgrade it behind your back - in this case you need to restart the machine so kernel modules match the drivers.
That’s still neither Ubuntu, Linux or the user’s fault. It’s still 100% Nvidia’s responsibility. So, even with context it looks bad. OS auto-updates should never break the system, and if it does, you’re a bad engineer doing bad things. An update causing the system to show no video signal is awful.
Online updates are unsafe but it is Ubuntu’s fault for how they manage kernels. Fedora gets it correct keeping multiple versions around.
Having multiple versions of a kernel doesn’t solve this issue. It’s the driver dying and video signal stops working until system reboot that is really a bad implementation. Your new driver should work at least well enough with the previous kernel as to at least prompt the user that a reboot is necessary to finish the update. Bad engineering.
I think you misunderstood their problem.
I think you misunderstood their problem.
Proprietary nvidia driver consists of (at least until recently) from two parts - closed userspace part and open kernel part. Those parts talk to each other with some protocol they change every once in a while and the only combination they support is that kernel module and userspace part must be of the same version. When they mismatch you still get video, you don’t get acceleration. And reboot fixes the problem.
the only combination they support is that kernel module and userspace part must be of the same version
AKA bad engineering.
first thing i faced while distrohopping before i settle with fedora, is the instability of nvidia on linux.
it was short path to decision to spare myself of waiting for driver fixes, googling for driver statuses, waiting, posting questions, messing around, switching this and that in hope for better stability, getting frustrated in the end because wherever i search for fixes, there were posts about same problems with same subject: nvidia.
stable system throughout distro/kernel/driver/system updates is hugely more valuable than having GTX Ti 90000 inside my system and it was a very short bye bye.
since i ditched nvidia card and went for amd one, my system just works, it’s been years, I’ve never looked back and very honestly, i couldn’t care less about never ending stubborn struggle with nvidia.
Same, I’m still using my powerful rx 490 in desktop and not even once has gave me problems.
I bought this laptop back when I was still using windows, a really good Asus x450LN, wich still allows me to play battlebit, xcom, openxcom, sunless sea/sky, and so on. Not even talkin about office work. So yeah, I’m gonna change it in maybe 2 or 3 years.
For now ? Dealing with nvidia shenanigans. I have a GUI again wich is good, but steam is fricking dead, so yeah, hopefully I’m not gonna need to reinstall.
This reminds me of the nightmare of those laptops with intel and nvidia gpu so you could switch to nvidia if you wanted to game. And what a nightmare it was to even get the nvidia gpu working in linux.
When I’m buying new hardware I’ll make sure never to buy nvidia again. However sometimes I am gifted things and it would be rude to refuse to accept.
This is what mine has. I was able to get it working with bumblebee on kali. Just switched to Debian 12, and I thought it would work after installing the non-free drivers, but nope. So guess I get to do some reading up on that now. Maybe look into bumblebee again.
I did get mine working eventually. Though that laptop died years ago. I did not get it to switch though so when I ran Linux it was always on the Nvidia GPU. But that wasn’t an issue for me.
I remember there being a name for this that made it easier to search for a solution. But for the life of me I cannot remember what it was.
Good luck on your quest and I hope you get it working.
omg i’ve been in this rabbit hole trying to get a friend’s laptop working right for the last 2 weeks… I found the name of the thing you are talking about, where the dGPU HAS to talk to the integrated graphics to get to the laptop screen… and then promptly forgot it after getting so mad at such a stupid idea and when I went to google it again to find articles i had previously read I couldn’t find it. :(
I decided to take a look and I think it’s called Nvidia Optimus. A more general term would be hybrid graphics I guess.
And I think I may have come across the Bumblebee project back then: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project
Maybe this helps.
I finally got it working and feel like an idiot now. Secure boot was enabled. Thing is, I know I disabled it because you have to set a bios password in order to do so. But it somehow got re-enabled. Once I disabled secure boot again the Debian wiki instructions worked and it was pretty simple to do.
I remember finding large text file in the win 10 base install that was just a list of game titles. I assumed it was so they could specifically choose which processes should always use the dGPU. I’m searching around now and can’t find any evidence it ever existed though. Anyone else remember seeing it? I feel like there was something about an inappropriate/porn game being included on the list.
Now that sounds interesting. I did not know about that.
“Works on my machine…” Classic dev response, lol.
I upgraded to a 6700xt from my 1660 and AMD has absolutely no problems in my system. It’s amazing.
Same, Recently updated my AMD card. Literally did nothing but turn the computer off, remove the old one, install the new one,turn it back on, and it just worked.
I’ve had enough experience with trying to get nvidia cards working in linux that I know that I’ll never, ever, ever use a nvidia card, and thats including trying to use distros that supposedly bake nvidia bullshit in to make it no hassle, like Pop.
Which sucks. I’m not a corporate fanboy, I just want something affordable and that works… and right now, on linux, thats just amd. Intel is a close second, though they need another generation or two to iron out their flaws.
Same. Thankfully I found that pop!_os works beautifully out of the box and serves my purpose. But I’m done with nvidia. Once my 3090 lives till EOL I’m getting whatever XTX model AMD has
services.xserver.videoDrivers = [“nvidia”]; go brrr
I have an Nvidia 3080 TI, and I want to sell it to buy an AMD equivalent. Fuck Nvidia indeed.
Wanna change? I have amd 7900xtx, and that
shitawesome video card withnot workingopensource drivers just awesome! I’m sure you will have fun with it.
Every once in a while, a new snapshot gets released for OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and mailing list gets flooded with “nvidia PC no longer boots” messages. Meanwhile Radeon users can’t get certain positive changes in the distro because nvidia users get no-video’d from it.
Nvidia is a plague. They purposefully make the experience worse in any way possible if you don’t buy Nvidia products. Meanwhile AMD makes their drivers open source and promote open source software.
The outrage after Starfield announced they would support FSR and didn’t comment about DLSS was frustrating. FSR works on all hardware, while DLSS only works if you buy Nvidia products. Most people I saw were complaining about AMD being an issue though…
Sauce?
Linux mint forum, and my own laptop with plasma.
Steam still dead, and the nvidia config got fuck up, gonna try reset xorg and then launch nvidia settings later
is there any possibility to lock the nvidia version to make this not happenning instead of having problem with every update each time?
I don’t think nvidia drivers update automatically on ubuntu, right? Pretty sure I’ve had to manually switch to new drivers every time
I think, because ubuntu has recommended version as I remember
On Arch, upgrading is pretty simple. The only extra step is you need a hook to run mkinitcpio, but that script is on the wiki and you never need to touch it again once set up. From that point onward you just upgrade the driver via pacman.
Don’t get me wrong, I do not like the fact NVIDIA’s drivers aren’t open source and their linux offerings aren’t the greatest, but your issue appears to be due to the way your distro handles the driver.
It always blows my mind how much broken shit Ubuntu gets away with and all their users blame literally everything else without ever once even considering it’s Ubuntu that’s to blame.
Packages having a hard coded version name and then installing a completely different version is a Ubuntu repo classic.
The vast majority of nvidia system breakage complaints I see seem to come from users of Ubuntu or it’s derivatives. I’ve been on arch based distros for 6 years now and every pc or laptop I’ve owned in that time has been nvidia and I have never had any problems.
Similar experience here with Arch. The only time I broke stuff was when trying out alternative kernels but even then all you’d have to do is use nvidia-dkms and it works fine with multiple kernels installed.
Yep, I never had a problem with nvidia on arch. Now i’m using NixOS, the setup is even easier and I’ve still had no problems. This seems like an issue related to Ubuntu packaging
Never knew there is a script to hook. It works flawlessly since the beginning for me with Arch.
You probably set it up and forgot about it! 🤣
Team red ftw
I use Linux at home but as an IT technician have experience with Nvidia in the Windows world. And it was pretty terrible there too.
You have to create an Nvidia account just to get the latest driver (🤦♀️) and despite its supposed prowess Photoshop struggled. Solidworks (CAD Software) also had issues with Nvidia and would only work with specific driver versions.
Overall a real pain.
I would only recommend AMD especially on Linux as they say least provide open source drivers. Plus their CPU’s are actually very good. I’ve seen some ancient pcs running Windows 10 on AMD CPU’s.
This exact same thing happened on my Ubuntu desktop. I had to restart into safe mode, dpkg configure -a. Dunno what dumb ass thought having your screen go black and not respond to any input was acceptable during an update
I’m still getting the hard lock issue with driver 535 and a laptop running Arch. I’ve did a quick searches for issues and lots of different complaints in the results. I’ve been waiting for nvidia to put out these fires. Whatever they are. Still waiting since the 535 release…
