• tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    I dont mean you personally, but organizations that claim to represent the jewish people in various countries. For instance the American Jewish Committee that claims Jews critisizing Israel would be antisemites and tries to have the UN comittees dissolved that adress the human rights situation in Palestine. Or a bit larger but slightly more moderate the World Jewish Congress, that wants “to enhance solidarity among Jewish communities throughout the world and, recognizing the centrality of the State of Israel to contemporary Jewish identity, to strengthen the bonds of Jewish communities and Jews in the Diaspora with Israel”

    These organizations claim to represent Jewish people around the world and that they would be in favor of Israel and support Israel, especially in face of criticism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jewish_Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Jewish_Congress

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      Sure, and white supremacists claim to represent all white people. They don’t and no one should assume that just because you’re white, you’re a white supremacist.

      • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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        Which i never did. You cannot deny the reality, that many Jewish people and organizations want to tie all Jewish people to Israel. It is the predominant view in the larger organizations, that are often recognized as spokespeople for the Jewish community in the respective country, continent or world.

        I also find it wrong, that Israel is claiming to be representative of the Jewish people as a whole and having a lot of organized support for it. The voices to the contrary need to organize and make themselves heard.

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          And because of that, it’s justified for people to constantly expect me to prove I have no allegiance to Israel? Bullshit. I should not have to prove I don’t support apartheid just because I’m Jewish.

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            You shouldn’t HAVE to, in a perfect world. Unfortunately, the ones who are making it not a reality are the Jewish organizations

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              So it’s the Jews fault that all Jews have to justify to non-Jews that we’re not bad people? That’s what you’re really going with?

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                1 year ago

                Bro everyone has been repeating this over and over:

                No! It’s Israel’s fault.

                Why are YOU blaming others for what Israel is doing to Jewish identity?

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                  So non-Jews are not at fault at all for being bigoted? It’s all the fault of Israeli Jews? There’s no bigotry involved at all? That’s what you’re saying?

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                    What? Why would think that’s what I said?

                    And if people ask a Jewish person “hey do you support Bibi and the apartheid state of Israel?” how is that bigotry? It’s not assuming anything.

                    It’s hopeful the person is not a fascist. Not accusatory or anything.

                    There are A LOT of Jews and Israelis that don’t support the apartheid state of Israel. We all know that.

                    I’d ask a white South African if they supported the apartheid state there, for fucking sure.

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                    Did you just finish Sophistry 101? Cause that’s all we’re hearing out of you.

                    I mean you’ve climbed up on the cross, and it looks like you’re even putting the nails in yourself.

                    Save some wood for Jesus.

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                1 year ago

                Did you miss the other commentors explaining why that’s the case? I personally don’t do that, but I can understand why others do. As usual, blame the politicians

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                    How is that even anti semitic? They’re pointing out an action that major Jewish organisations are undeniably doing. You don’t get to play the antisemitic card for honest criticism. That’s exactly the sort of BS Israel is pulling that makes everybody annoyed at them.