Capcom regularly puts out certified bangers. I’ll keep buying their games for as long as those games are high quality experiences are worth the money. They can learn about microtransactions by me not buying those lol.
I’ve been a die hard MH fan for like 20-25 years or something ridiculous. I’m gonna buy and play this game, don’t really care what people think about the gaming industry
Sorry I took time out of my week raising a family, working full time, and trying to build a mass movement to fight against the worst abuses of our economic system to enjoy something sometimes and that it offends your vendetta against the oil and gas Industr… Oh sorry I meant industrial agricult… Wait it’s the gaming Industry? You’re mad about a game? Okay buddy
You can always be mad at 2 or more things at once, and how the gaming industry sucks out money from the consumer to pay their executives should be one of these.
In all the industries you mentioned, “voting with your wallet” is a thing that’s universally accepted as effective but at times hard to do. In gaming, it couldn’t be easier, you can literally safe money by buying anything cheaper from the indie sphere, not buy anything at all and play games you already own, wait 2 weeks and get a 2nd hand copy, or the unnamed 4th thing.
And the impact is more than just having a worse game to enjoy. As much as we like to laugh at people for their bad financial decisions, some people just cannot think rational about these things, and every game that includes microtransactions is simply not safe for them. Casino’s are heavily regulated for a reason, it is perversive brain stimulation with decades of research behind it, and we invited it into our consoles and computers for kids to enjoy. And more and more people just expect games to be predatory, and it warps how they think of the effort put into games. Being a functional, complete game without any in game purchases used to be the minimum. But if you expect anyone to have your mental fortitude, that no kid will wander into this menu and that everyone has an unalterable image of the industry, feel free to support this.
Genshin Impact lies at the end of this road.
You do not have to support these decisions. You can be a Monster Hunter and Capcom fan, and not buy into the hype. Vote with your wallet.
I don’t believe in voting with your wallet, I believe in organizing. Individuals can never stand against an organization. A large group of individuals doing what they think is right but not working together can’t win against even a much smaller organized force. In fact I think that your idea is little more than propaganda to keep the masses weakened in the face of power that is intentionally organized against us.
But I don’t play monster hunter to engage in political theory, I do it because it is a highly technical game with a steep learning curve. For whatever reason, a major stress reliever for me is to perform difficult actions with my hands. That’s all I want.
We are all treat brained little piggies in our own way, it shouldn’t be controversial. I don’t play genshin impact but if you do, whatever. Like I said, I work full time, I have a life full of family and friends, and I volunteer my time and energy to make my community better. If I wanna spend $70 on one of the like 3 game series that I really like, I shouldn’t have to justify that to other gamers ffs. The problem with the gaming industry is a problem with capitalism, its called the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. Enshitification has been a proven phenomenon about for like 150 years. Voting with your dollars is pointless when it is the dollars themselves which are the problem.
The commenter you replied to was basically just informing people not to buy. You made a great showing that you were going to buy anyway and you don’t care. That is something you need to justify, not the buying itself. No one would even know if you didn’t go out of your way to tell everyone.
And yes, what you do is good, but takes time to amount to anything. In the mean time, it is perfectly acceptable to also pursue methods that work in the short term. We aren’t just individuals on a forum, we are public opinion. As flawed as it is, that’s still better than the apathy you promote in your first comment.
Capcom regularly puts out certified bangers. I’ll keep buying their games for as long as those games are high quality experiences are worth the money. They can learn about microtransactions by me not buying those lol.
I was agreeing with someone else, and was sarcastically called a “good little consumer.” Which fine, but I’m going to respond. So no, the comment I initially responded to was not informing people not to buy, the next I responded to was a sarcastic remark, and the next was, I believe flawed, justification for why its objectively wrong to buy a game? Or buy it on day one, or something.
Is the objective to silence me? To make me follow along with a mainstream opinion that I don’t agree with? I just want to play the new MH and not be made to feel bad about it.
Maybe I’m not as up to date on all the nuances of this argument, but how do you think I feel when I spend significant time and energy learning and educating about political theory and practice, just to have people disagree with me from a point of ignorance?
Maybe its just something you all are gonna have to learn to deal with, having people who share your interests but not your opinions disagree with you.
Buying a game with MTX but not buying the MTX essentially wastes the money and time the company spent on putting the MTX there in the first place, way I see it.
If it exists, the game has suffered because of it, if it exists, people will spend money on it. The systems are designed to prey on how we think, they shouldn’t exist.
It costs them barely anything, it’s cosmetics the artists on payroll would be making regardless of if they are selling them or not, because they would just be unlockable.
Idk, the game is great and I distinctly remember people crying about stuff like this with DD2.
I’ll tell you what I said then. I was not tempted to buy any MTX in MH Wilds until I started reading the comments of people crying about it.
This is a basic fucking character creator we’re talking about. If you’re so spastic that you need to change your characters model every day, we have very different reasons for playing video games.
Let me put it this way. This is Monster Hunter. Why the fuck does your character looking a certain way mean so much to you? If it does mean so much, make a new character - the game hasn’t even been out for 3 days. These problems are literally non-issues.
Honestly, out of all of them - IMHO Capcom puts out quality games that you can buy once and then buy a dlc and be able to fully enjoy an amazing game with incredible replayablity. I’m not saying I agree with the pay for cosmetic reroll thing, but if Capcom wants to put in cosmetic 2-3$ trinkets, whatever. It affects the game barely any at all, and in the case of Monster Hunter, there are so many in-game cosmetics and trinkets you can unlock already that look awesome. On the flip side of this you have scum bag companies that lock FUN behind micro transactions, not solely cosmetics. Still, the pay for reroll is fucked and I only hope we can mod in the ability to change it like we had in World.
They did the same shit in the last MH game and people bought into it anyway. They slowly chip away at consumers with this shit. Remember the outrage over horse armour? These companies normalised this mindset of “cosmetics being paid are fine!”. You should buy a game once and be done with it. Expansions I can get behind paid, but that is as far as it should go.
They did the same thing with MH World too, and that’s one of my favorite games of all time. Capcom shouldn’t charge for things like appearance changes, but even so, they create games with huge amounts of value for the price tag. And most of that came from years of free post release added content. A feature-complete game with cosmetic bonuses available as paid dlc is not a problem. Failing to achieve that would be the reason to be concerned over microtransactions. I understand why microtransactions are unpopular, but they can be done well and without them existing, many great games would either not exist or have to be much smaller.
Also, for this specifically, there is a nexus mod that lets you change your appearance for free. There will very likely be a similar workaround with the new game if you have the pc version.
This is the point I am making, consumers have been conditioned to have that point of view. The game should just be the $70 or whatever it is and then no MTX. It’s irrelevant how good or bad the core game might be, MTX shouldnt exist.
Which teaches us that better network connectivity and convenient distribution platforms are not necessarily good.
When we would dream of them in 2005, we would dream of having that industry and quality and economic processes, but with an option of sky cool connectivity and ability to buy and install a game with a click.
Except there’s no mechanism where more is indefinitely better or less is indefinitely better.
I don’t know about you, but I’ve been pretty successful at it. I don’t buy predatory games, and I do buy non-predatory games. There are tons of non-predatory games, so I have a fantastic selection.
Some people will buy these games regardless, in fact many will. It doesn’t mean you have to.
Sure, and I can’t control systemic problems. I can control my individual purchasing choices, and my point is that you can too. And what do we call large scale individual choice that results in systemic change? A systemic solution!
Buy good games and avoid bad games. That’s the most effective thing you can do to combat predatory practices. Maybe it won’t solve the problem for everyone, but it’ll solve the problem for you.
Your choice doesn’t change this system. The people who fall for this shit matter more than your nonparticipation, by an order of magnitude. Only a slim fraction of them need to pony up five actual dollars per imaginary hat, to make this widespread abuse worth spreading wider. Which is why it’s fucking everywhere - and not going away - despite people like you, chiding others ‘just don’t buy it!’
I’m already not doing it. It’s still a problem, and it demands fixing, and me not doing it plainly will not suffice.
Right. One person’s choice can’t. But one person’s choice turns into recommendations to others, which turns into more and more people making those choices.
That won’t kill predatory games, but it will preserve non predatory games. As long as options exist, I’m satisfied satisfied.
Yeah, you’ve made clear you don’t care if people besides you get tricked into throwing away money. What does a systemic problem matter, so long as you, the protagonist of reality, are safe?
Flip it the other way around. Who am I to say their choice of video game is incorrect? Is it really my responsibility to prevent them from making stupid choices? They’re either adults or have adult guardians, and therefore are capable of making their own choices.
I don’t like gambling and tell others they shouldn’t do it, yet I think they have the right to do it if they want. Likewise for drugs and other “bad” habits. I can’t and shouldn’t control their decisions, even if I’m convinced they’re terrible.
How they choose to get their dopamine is their business, and how I choose to get mine is my business. As long as we can both get what we want, the way we want, I’m happy.
Don’t buy these predatory games, refund if you did. Stop supporting these scummy companies, it’s the only way they will learn.
Capcom regularly puts out certified bangers. I’ll keep buying their games for as long as those games are high quality experiences are worth the money. They can learn about microtransactions by me not buying those lol.
I’ve been a die hard MH fan for like 20-25 years or something ridiculous. I’m gonna buy and play this game, don’t really care what people think about the gaming industry
Good little consumer… patpat
Sorry I took time out of my week raising a family, working full time, and trying to build a mass movement to fight against the worst abuses of our economic system to enjoy something sometimes and that it offends your vendetta against the oil and gas Industr… Oh sorry I meant industrial agricult… Wait it’s the gaming Industry? You’re mad about a game? Okay buddy
You can always be mad at 2 or more things at once, and how the gaming industry sucks out money from the consumer to pay their executives should be one of these.
In all the industries you mentioned, “voting with your wallet” is a thing that’s universally accepted as effective but at times hard to do. In gaming, it couldn’t be easier, you can literally safe money by buying anything cheaper from the indie sphere, not buy anything at all and play games you already own, wait 2 weeks and get a 2nd hand copy, or the unnamed 4th thing.
And the impact is more than just having a worse game to enjoy. As much as we like to laugh at people for their bad financial decisions, some people just cannot think rational about these things, and every game that includes microtransactions is simply not safe for them. Casino’s are heavily regulated for a reason, it is perversive brain stimulation with decades of research behind it, and we invited it into our consoles and computers for kids to enjoy. And more and more people just expect games to be predatory, and it warps how they think of the effort put into games. Being a functional, complete game without any in game purchases used to be the minimum. But if you expect anyone to have your mental fortitude, that no kid will wander into this menu and that everyone has an unalterable image of the industry, feel free to support this.
Genshin Impact lies at the end of this road.
You do not have to support these decisions. You can be a Monster Hunter and Capcom fan, and not buy into the hype. Vote with your wallet.
I don’t believe in voting with your wallet, I believe in organizing. Individuals can never stand against an organization. A large group of individuals doing what they think is right but not working together can’t win against even a much smaller organized force. In fact I think that your idea is little more than propaganda to keep the masses weakened in the face of power that is intentionally organized against us.
But I don’t play monster hunter to engage in political theory, I do it because it is a highly technical game with a steep learning curve. For whatever reason, a major stress reliever for me is to perform difficult actions with my hands. That’s all I want.
We are all treat brained little piggies in our own way, it shouldn’t be controversial. I don’t play genshin impact but if you do, whatever. Like I said, I work full time, I have a life full of family and friends, and I volunteer my time and energy to make my community better. If I wanna spend $70 on one of the like 3 game series that I really like, I shouldn’t have to justify that to other gamers ffs. The problem with the gaming industry is a problem with capitalism, its called the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. Enshitification has been a proven phenomenon about for like 150 years. Voting with your dollars is pointless when it is the dollars themselves which are the problem.
The commenter you replied to was basically just informing people not to buy. You made a great showing that you were going to buy anyway and you don’t care. That is something you need to justify, not the buying itself. No one would even know if you didn’t go out of your way to tell everyone.
And yes, what you do is good, but takes time to amount to anything. In the mean time, it is perfectly acceptable to also pursue methods that work in the short term. We aren’t just individuals on a forum, we are public opinion. As flawed as it is, that’s still better than the apathy you promote in your first comment.
This is the comment I responded to initially: https://midwest.social/post/23827090/15643582
I was agreeing with someone else, and was sarcastically called a “good little consumer.” Which fine, but I’m going to respond. So no, the comment I initially responded to was not informing people not to buy, the next I responded to was a sarcastic remark, and the next was, I believe flawed, justification for why its objectively wrong to buy a game? Or buy it on day one, or something.
Is the objective to silence me? To make me follow along with a mainstream opinion that I don’t agree with? I just want to play the new MH and not be made to feel bad about it.
Maybe I’m not as up to date on all the nuances of this argument, but how do you think I feel when I spend significant time and energy learning and educating about political theory and practice, just to have people disagree with me from a point of ignorance?
Maybe its just something you all are gonna have to learn to deal with, having people who share your interests but not your opinions disagree with you.
Buying games with MTX in is supporting the inclusion of them, whether you buy the MTX or not.
Anyone who disagrees with that fact also thinks it’s okay to go to the casino just for the bar at the back.
Buying a game with MTX but not buying the MTX essentially wastes the money and time the company spent on putting the MTX there in the first place, way I see it.
If it exists, the game has suffered because of it, if it exists, people will spend money on it. The systems are designed to prey on how we think, they shouldn’t exist.
It costs them barely anything, it’s cosmetics the artists on payroll would be making regardless of if they are selling them or not, because they would just be unlockable.
Idk, the game is great and I distinctly remember people crying about stuff like this with DD2.
I’ll tell you what I said then. I was not tempted to buy any MTX in MH Wilds until I started reading the comments of people crying about it.
This is a basic fucking character creator we’re talking about. If you’re so spastic that you need to change your characters model every day, we have very different reasons for playing video games.
Let me put it this way. This is Monster Hunter. Why the fuck does your character looking a certain way mean so much to you? If it does mean so much, make a new character - the game hasn’t even been out for 3 days. These problems are literally non-issues.
Hard disagree.
Honestly, out of all of them - IMHO Capcom puts out quality games that you can buy once and then buy a dlc and be able to fully enjoy an amazing game with incredible replayablity. I’m not saying I agree with the pay for cosmetic reroll thing, but if Capcom wants to put in cosmetic 2-3$ trinkets, whatever. It affects the game barely any at all, and in the case of Monster Hunter, there are so many in-game cosmetics and trinkets you can unlock already that look awesome. On the flip side of this you have scum bag companies that lock FUN behind micro transactions, not solely cosmetics. Still, the pay for reroll is fucked and I only hope we can mod in the ability to change it like we had in World.
They did the same shit in the last MH game and people bought into it anyway. They slowly chip away at consumers with this shit. Remember the outrage over horse armour? These companies normalised this mindset of “cosmetics being paid are fine!”. You should buy a game once and be done with it. Expansions I can get behind paid, but that is as far as it should go.
They did the same thing with MH World too, and that’s one of my favorite games of all time. Capcom shouldn’t charge for things like appearance changes, but even so, they create games with huge amounts of value for the price tag. And most of that came from years of free post release added content. A feature-complete game with cosmetic bonuses available as paid dlc is not a problem. Failing to achieve that would be the reason to be concerned over microtransactions. I understand why microtransactions are unpopular, but they can be done well and without them existing, many great games would either not exist or have to be much smaller.
Also, for this specifically, there is a nexus mod that lets you change your appearance for free. There will very likely be a similar workaround with the new game if you have the pc version.
This is the point I am making, consumers have been conditioned to have that point of view. The game should just be the $70 or whatever it is and then no MTX. It’s irrelevant how good or bad the core game might be, MTX shouldnt exist.
Which teaches us that better network connectivity and convenient distribution platforms are not necessarily good.
When we would dream of them in 2005, we would dream of having that industry and quality and economic processes, but with an option of sky cool connectivity and ability to buy and install a game with a click.
Except there’s no mechanism where more is indefinitely better or less is indefinitely better.
I doubt they would even learn from that.
Oh they would, but instead of being rational, they would just lay off their workforce.
We were never gonna shop our way out of this abuse.
I don’t know about you, but I’ve been pretty successful at it. I don’t buy predatory games, and I do buy non-predatory games. There are tons of non-predatory games, so I have a fantastic selection.
Some people will buy these games regardless, in fact many will. It doesn’t mean you have to.
Systemic problems aren’t about you.
Sure, and I can’t control systemic problems. I can control my individual purchasing choices, and my point is that you can too. And what do we call large scale individual choice that results in systemic change? A systemic solution!
Buy good games and avoid bad games. That’s the most effective thing you can do to combat predatory practices. Maybe it won’t solve the problem for everyone, but it’ll solve the problem for you.
Your choice doesn’t change this system. The people who fall for this shit matter more than your nonparticipation, by an order of magnitude. Only a slim fraction of them need to pony up five actual dollars per imaginary hat, to make this widespread abuse worth spreading wider. Which is why it’s fucking everywhere - and not going away - despite people like you, chiding others ‘just don’t buy it!’
I’m already not doing it. It’s still a problem, and it demands fixing, and me not doing it plainly will not suffice.
Right. One person’s choice can’t. But one person’s choice turns into recommendations to others, which turns into more and more people making those choices.
That won’t kill predatory games, but it will preserve non predatory games. As long as options exist, I’m satisfied satisfied.
Yeah, you’ve made clear you don’t care if people besides you get tricked into throwing away money. What does a systemic problem matter, so long as you, the protagonist of reality, are safe?
Flip it the other way around. Who am I to say their choice of video game is incorrect? Is it really my responsibility to prevent them from making stupid choices? They’re either adults or have adult guardians, and therefore are capable of making their own choices.
I don’t like gambling and tell others they shouldn’t do it, yet I think they have the right to do it if they want. Likewise for drugs and other “bad” habits. I can’t and shouldn’t control their decisions, even if I’m convinced they’re terrible.
How they choose to get their dopamine is their business, and how I choose to get mine is my business. As long as we can both get what we want, the way we want, I’m happy.