sure? i could bring the same argument back to you:
why wouldn’t you shut it down? so that you can wait a couple of seconds less?
there’s basically no difference. it only depends on what you’re used to doing and maybe if you care about the little electricity that’s being used constantly for little to no reason
But you can’t bring the same argument back to me. Cold booting requires more time and effort. Thus to make that argument, one needs to provide the benefits that compensate for the downsides. Some people provided possible benefits that matter to their specific case, like, PSU makes noise (actually, that was you in a different thread), or they want to save laptop battery, etc. But if we are taking about a modern stationary computer with mains power, there’s practically no benefit to shutting it down, only downsides.
Of course it’s completely valid for somebody to do it out of habit, but they can’t expect to use that as a valid argument for others to do it.
the more time and effort is like, literally a couple of seconds for most pcs, unless it has a hard drive
for now i kind of have to turn my pc off all the time because the roof has a couple of leaks right on top of where my stuff is and it could rain at any time. when i move i’ll probably keep turning it off though, as i always turn it on and go and get something to eat, so boot time makes no difference, and i just personally hate it when it turns on from any key press
It’s definitely not just a couple of seconds, unless you have a very lightweight OS and only 1 or 2 apps to work with. And no matter how little extra time it takes to cold boot the system, there’s still no benefit to doing it that way, so no matter how little that time is, it’s still wasted.
As I mentioned, one is free to use their computer however they wish, but it doesn’t make it not wasteful to shut it down. If grabbing something to eat was part of my daily routine, I’d grab it beforehand, instead of needlessly going back and forth, wake the computer and use it immediately.
I was mostly talking about stationary computers, but even in case of a laptop (unless it runs Windows which has terrible sleep management) the benefits of starting your work immediately once you open the lid outweighs the cons of losing a couple percent of battery overnight.
two apps? where do you work that you only have two apps open? just on my home pc right now I have 21 programs open, of course that includes things that autostartup, but those things take time to startup. stuff like dropbox can take several minutes until it stops thrashing your cpu. On my work computer I have even more. Just in basic programs to do my job that’s at minimum 8 programs. That doesn’t include auto startup apps, or other apps I use. That’s just basics required by my job. Several of them are IDEs which take several minutes to start, and then when they do start you have to open up the project, indexing happens. All told, the computer can start in 20 seconds, but getting to a working desktop state is about 10 minutes.
This thread was about having to power off “even if there is only one app”, and that’s why i responded as that.
By work i didn’t mean a job. It could be anything, but mostly i need firefox and LaTeX ide, which is just a text editor and pdf viewer(starts in 5 seconds including the time required to navigate and open the file i am editing manually). I also do open many programs but only on demand, but never needed “always” for a working desktop state.
For your case i agree you should put in sleep mode, but the thread was just not about that
Firstly, I normally have way more than two apps open. And secondly, in case of a few apps, I personally still value the couple minutes of my time more than I do 2% of my battery. But to each their own.
If you have a watercooled system getting less hours on the pump is always good, especially with a cheaper AIO.
Also not all pumps are completely quiet when in sleep
Many motherboard pump headers will still provide power while in sleep. But you usually start hearing the pump more when it’s older and the bearing starts to wear, or due to permeation lowering the water levels.
i mean, i used to have an old power supply that made a pretty loud high pitched noise constantly so i had to always turn the switch to go to sleep. maybe they have something similar in the motherboard
Even if it’s only one app, what is the purpose? To save on electricity that powers RAM?
sure? i could bring the same argument back to you:
why wouldn’t you shut it down? so that you can wait a couple of seconds less?
there’s basically no difference. it only depends on what you’re used to doing and maybe if you care about the little electricity that’s being used constantly for little to no reason
But you can’t bring the same argument back to me. Cold booting requires more time and effort. Thus to make that argument, one needs to provide the benefits that compensate for the downsides. Some people provided possible benefits that matter to their specific case, like, PSU makes noise (actually, that was you in a different thread), or they want to save laptop battery, etc. But if we are taking about a modern stationary computer with mains power, there’s practically no benefit to shutting it down, only downsides.
Of course it’s completely valid for somebody to do it out of habit, but they can’t expect to use that as a valid argument for others to do it.
the more time and effort is like, literally a couple of seconds for most pcs, unless it has a hard drive
for now i kind of have to turn my pc off all the time because the roof has a couple of leaks right on top of where my stuff is and it could rain at any time. when i move i’ll probably keep turning it off though, as i always turn it on and go and get something to eat, so boot time makes no difference, and i just personally hate it when it turns on from any key press
It’s definitely not just a couple of seconds, unless you have a very lightweight OS and only 1 or 2 apps to work with. And no matter how little extra time it takes to cold boot the system, there’s still no benefit to doing it that way, so no matter how little that time is, it’s still wasted.
As I mentioned, one is free to use their computer however they wish, but it doesn’t make it not wasteful to shut it down. If grabbing something to eat was part of my daily routine, I’d grab it beforehand, instead of needlessly going back and forth, wake the computer and use it immediately.
Well yes why not save that battery power
I was mostly talking about stationary computers, but even in case of a laptop (unless it runs Windows which has terrible sleep management) the benefits of starting your work immediately once you open the lid outweighs the cons of losing a couple percent of battery overnight.
Why would you loose that couple percent of battery if boot time is fast and only have two apps for the work
two apps? where do you work that you only have two apps open? just on my home pc right now I have 21 programs open, of course that includes things that autostartup, but those things take time to startup. stuff like dropbox can take several minutes until it stops thrashing your cpu. On my work computer I have even more. Just in basic programs to do my job that’s at minimum 8 programs. That doesn’t include auto startup apps, or other apps I use. That’s just basics required by my job. Several of them are IDEs which take several minutes to start, and then when they do start you have to open up the project, indexing happens. All told, the computer can start in 20 seconds, but getting to a working desktop state is about 10 minutes.
This thread was about having to power off “even if there is only one app”, and that’s why i responded as that.
By work i didn’t mean a job. It could be anything, but mostly i need firefox and LaTeX ide, which is just a text editor and pdf viewer(starts in 5 seconds including the time required to navigate and open the file i am editing manually). I also do open many programs but only on demand, but never needed “always” for a working desktop state.
For your case i agree you should put in sleep mode, but the thread was just not about that
Firstly, I normally have way more than two apps open. And secondly, in case of a few apps, I personally still value the couple minutes of my time more than I do 2% of my battery. But to each their own.
Make it quiet so I can go to sleep
But a sleeping computer is just as quiet as a shut down computer… Which is totally silent. I don’t get it.
If you have a watercooled system getting less hours on the pump is always good, especially with a cheaper AIO. Also not all pumps are completely quiet when in sleep
I used to have a watercooled PC, I don’t remember it making any sounds while in sleep. Why would the pump run when PC is asleep?
Many motherboard pump headers will still provide power while in sleep. But you usually start hearing the pump more when it’s older and the bearing starts to wear, or due to permeation lowering the water levels.
i mean, i used to have an old power supply that made a pretty loud high pitched noise constantly so i had to always turn the switch to go to sleep. maybe they have something similar in the motherboard