I was really intrigued by their design and really liked the murakumo but after looking through their website I got quite “weary”.

To start with their lead times are currently 132 to 144 months, with a 45% deposit. That seemed a bit insane to me but I thought it might be understandable since their a small operation and if everything is done by hand.

However, reading along, literally every single part of their watches are made by outside companies, case, movement, hands, dial. They only seem to do the assembly and finishing, along with design I’d presume. And the watch has a closed caseback, so the movement finishing doesn’t even matter.

I don’t mind a company not using in-house movements. And I expect a microbrand that costs a couple hundred, maybe a few thousand, to only do assembly and finish. But for 20k+, I’d expect at least some manufacturing actually being done by them. I also don’t really understand the ridiculous lead times, in that case. I’ll give them credit though, as their extremely transparent on their website about everything.

I was really excited by their watches but the more I read, the more disappointed and turned off I got. Am I completely wrong here? Would love to hear if anything actually has one of their watches. Or just some opinions.

  • Corleone11@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    I’d get a PP Calatrava instead. This right here is a watch you should consider buying when you already have 15+ watches. Giving them a free credit is also stupid.

    • ilkless@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      Exactly. It’s a watch for those where even PP is roo pedestrian. It’s for the collector who is familiar with the De Bethune/MB&F/Urwerk level of watchmaking, not PP/AP/VC/Rolex/Lange.

      Who else could justify a watch solely focused on being a showpiece for a particular style of polishing to the exclusion of all else for 20k and a 10 year wait? Only the guys used to waiting almost a decade for a Dufour or Vianney Halter or Journe high complication.