• nargis@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Yeah because working outside and still doing all the domestic work is so much better than being confined to the house. Who needs feminism?

    No doubt the Soviet Union was a huge step forward for women but this is just a dumb thing to say. Women doing unpaid household labour and emotional labour has always been the case.

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      The USSR was also the first country on a large scale to move unpaid domestic labour into the paid socialized sector: it created communal kitchens, communal child-care, all paid for by the state. The PRC followed that same model.

      How are you liberals this ignorant of these attempts? Marxist feminists started the domestic labor debate, and were the only ones who attempted to put solutions into practice.

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        You don’t need all of these communal things if a family simply raises their kids in a traditional way. What you’re describing is the commoditization of the nuclear family. It’s roundabout and worse overall. No one will love your kids and care for them like you will. Also the state pays for nothing because the state makes no money. It comes from the labor of the people. So really the mom is forced into the workforce to pay for childcare. Lol.

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          Hello I have one nuclear family to sell in the form of watching their child for a few hours. I am also in the market to buy. I also buy them by watching their kids.

          The word I use for that is commoditization. That’s what it means.

          Thank you.

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            Yeah exactly. Mom is going to work to pay for someone to watch her kids when she could just do it herself.

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              So you just woke up from your mother’s womb today and experienced the concepts of ‘division of labor’ and ‘commerce’ for the first time, huh?

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                Context: Just so no one gets confused— The scenario in this post is that the woman presumably who does not want to go to work, possibly because she wants to stay at home and be a domestic worker, is forced to by the state. There is no mysoginy here. Just a comment on what a woman is being forced to do against her will when she may, instead, want to be a mother which is totally fine and normal.

                Comment: You can ignore my point if you want. This post is about women being forced to enter the workforce when they want to stay at home. The cope for this disempowerment is that “the state” (e.g. some other person) will raise her kids while she does whatever she is ordered to do. If you don’t see this as anti-human and dystopian I can’t do anything for you.

                Commentary: The banning on this instance is a sign of weakness and intellectual dishonesty. My point is valid and actually in support of a woman’s choice in how she wants to live her life. Engage with the idea or accept your sickness as a shill/grievance monger. Lord have mercy.

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    Because the former Soviet Union, with all its defects, never gave much of a shit about gender roles, you are going to learn science even if it takes your whole life. I guess some of that cultured stayed after Ussr collapsed

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      1 month ago

      Read Alexandra Kollontai, the liberation of women from household oppression was something they actually did give a shit about and was intentional.

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      They very much cared about gender roles, but also pretty early figured out that women in the workforce are economically beneficial. So the situation was (and unfortunately is) that women are shamed if they don’t earn money OR don’t look good OR don’t cook/clean/care about children. I am honestly fascinated how average woman manages these three shifts. In academia btw there’s still a huge gender bias even when women make the majority of students and generally perform better.