just so this doesn’t overwhelm our front page too much, i think now’s a good time to start consolidating discussions. existing threads will be kept up, but unless a big update comes let’s try to keep what’s happening in this thread instead of across 10.
developments to this point:
- Apollo for Reddit is shutting down
- Reddit is Fun will also shut down
- Reddit CEO (/u/spez) is going to hold a AMA about the API update
- Sync has announced it is shutting down
- ReddPlanet has announced it is shutting down
- Reddit creates an API exemption for noncommercial accessibility apps
- /r/videos is planning to shut down indefinitely, beginning June 11
- A subreddit dedicated to migrating to kbin.social has been closed by Reddit
The Verge is on it as usual, also–here’s their latest coverage (h/t @dirtmayor@beehaw.org):
other media coverage:
I don’t think of that as a negative. It’s a different structure than Reddit.
Each instance would be a community in the cultural sense. All of the Lemmy communities within that instance would be a place for primarily the same instance users to gather. Each instance having its own cultural identity. Decentralized.
I agree. On reddit, there are a bazillion different “gaming” subreddits that are only named different because that’s the only way to have different communities around the same topic: r/gaming, r/games, r/truegaming, r/patientgamers, r/girlgamers, r/transgamers, r/gaymers, and so on.
Each of those communities has a different feel and different moderation and different priorities, and no way no how would I want r/gaming posts mixed in if I’m trying to browse r/transgamers, for example.
Similarly, I’m mostly sticking to Lemmy instances that disable the downvote button, because it makes for friendly places I think, and lowers the barrier to posting for socially anxious users.
I like the idea of there being a way for users, or for similar groups of instances that agree to it (like if beehaw and an instance with similar rules/community feel wanted to collaborate a bit), to set up a multi-lemmy ‘all’ community thing that shows posts across similar communities, but it should still be optional.
I figure that a multi-Lemmy could be something set up by a user in an app, which would give maximum flexibility to individual users and reduce headaches of mods trying to set up shared spaces.
patientgamers actually has another reason to have a different name, because it’s not an attitude everyone will embrace and they wanna be up front about it.
There’s pros and cons to both centralization and decentralization. I like the idea and the goal of decentralization and federation but you run into issues like this, that are counter-intuitive and will be a road block to broader acceptance. Especially with smaller communities.
I think having the option to aggregate those communities into one view could bridge that gap. Have it be optional. Heck, even allow users/servers to block specific communities if they want.
I like the idea of Lemmy but I don’t like the idea of having to subscribe to 7,10,15 different versions of a topic of interest spread across 25 different servers. Let me sub to “Technology” and have a toggle to display “all Technology communities across federated servers”.
I’m of no doubt that apps will eventually allow users to manually create multi-Lemmys.
I just think we should kind of chill on trying to 1-for-1 replicate Reddit, or ask for all the features straight off. Reddit has been around for over a decade and the apps and ecosystem have matured a lot. Some of that takes time to happen, since internet communities drive sites so I’d rather give it a bit before making changes.
I don’t think I want (or was asked for) a 1-to-1 replica of Reddit. Like I said, I get the pros of open source and federation. I’m just pointing out an immediately apparent pain point that I’d like to see be addressed at some point.
Or maybe just have communities tag themselves, and make it so you can sub to tags? With the ability to add exceptions
Yeah, this.
And the beauty of this approach is that the community of users is necessarily smaller, so more likely to actually be a community.
Agreed. The same thing needed some getting used to when I moved to Mastodon earlier this year, but eventually, you start thinking in “instances” without realizing. I don’t know if the general public will go through the same transition of getting used to the fediverse, but if they will (and I think it’d be a good thing if they do), then this kind of instance-based UX won’t be an intriguing novelty anymore.
Somebody pointed out that it’s not dissimilar from the way email works, where someone with a gmail account can easily email someone with a yahoo account, and that everyone understands that well enough. It’s presented a lot differently, so that regular users don’t even have to think about it - if anything, they can just think of the snail mail metaphor to understand it - but maybe there’s a way to simplify Lemmy onboarding too.
Definitely the email metaphor helped me at the time too.
I hope other instances give themselves mascots as Beehaw has done, and foster an internal sense of being a member of an instance rather than a generic Lemmy member. That is a future that seems promising.