• count_of_monte_carlo@lemmy.worldM
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    Neutron stars are the most compact form of matter that we know about; they’re even denser than the nucleus of an atom.

    Neutrons, protons and electrons are fermions, meaning they must obey the Pauli exclusion principle. No two neutrons (or protons or electrons) can be in the same quantum mechanical state. If you take ordinary star matter (plasma made of dissociated protons and electrons) and squeeze it, eventually the electrons will nearly overlap in their states. You’d have two electrons with nearly the same energy, spin and location. They cannot overlap though, so this creates a repulsive force that prevents the matter from further compression; this is called the electron degeneracy pressure.

    If the compressive force overcomes this pressure, then the electrons can capture on the protons to form neutrons. Neutrons and protons also have degeneracy pressures, but they can be packed much more densely than electrons. This is because their wavelength is shorter. The wavelength of a massive particle is inversely proportional to its mass, and protons and electrons are about 2000 times the mass of electrons. So compressed ordinary matter will inevitably become pure neutrons, simply because this is the most compact form.

    A pure electron or pure proton star wouldn’t be as compact because both are charged particles so there would be Coulomb repulsion (this isn’t an issue in ordinary matter since the number of electrons and protons is roughly equal). You’d also need to somehow separate the electrons from the protons, and this isn’t a process that would naturally occur in a collapsing star.

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      Is that the form matter takes at the center of a black hole? Hmmm, that would make sense but I guess it doesn’t necessarily have to, as the gravitational force isn’t directly dependent on the density, just the mass.

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        To add on, definitely not a “normal” degenerate matter, no. If there’s enough mass there to form a black hole, the energy liberated from shrinking exceeds the energy needed to decrease the wavelength of the particles, and continues doing so perpetually. Doing that calculation is why we were so sure black holes must exist in the first place.

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        There are no accepted answers to your question. However, I like to think that string theorists have it right and matter is sort of crushed so completely that you’re just left with a roiling sea of primordial energy - a scalar field, aka, a new universe. It is in my opinion likely that black holes are the holographic medium on which a universe can be projected. String theory supports this thought; it posits that black holes are “fuzz balls”, aka: a mass of unimaginable energy vibrating in many dimensions, aka: a universe. It is a simple, elegant explanation for why the universe exists, and where it came from.

        But that is all extremely hypothetical. Like I said, there are no answers here… yet. There’s a lot of good science to back up that thought, but none of it is falsifiable with our current understanding of physics. We probably need a theory of quantum gravity to start answering these questions.

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        A black hole is believed to contain a singularity with all of the mass as a single point. So this is well past the point of baryonic matter and in a region where our physics models break down.

        If you just take the total mass of a black hole and divide it by the volume of the Schwarzschild radius (aka event horizon) you get a density MUCH greater than a neutron star. This isn’t a useful measure of the black hole density though, since all of the mass is at a single point of presumably infinite density.

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          Ah, many thanks, it’s been quite a while since UP2 and I honestly didn’t even have a good grasp on it while I was taking the class