• VampirePenguin@midwest.social
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    Participating in democracy doesn’t lead to fascism, capitalism does. Protest non-voters are idiots that gave away the one best power our system offers. Congratulations on your new fascist overlords, dummies. Anarchism is about power to the people and power to communities, you vote for the best thing for your community regardless of your personal feelings. Do I wish there was a better candidate than Kamala Harris? Hell yeah I do, but she is lightyears better than Trump for my people so she got my vote. You have to start where you are, not in some fantasy land where leftists have a viable alternative. You want change? Go find a milquetoast liberal running uncontested and primary against them. Ask hard questions and make them accountable. Sitting on your high horse while the world burns is not only useless, but an insult to the people who are actually suffering because of your choices. Fuck off.

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      Participating in democracy doesn’t lead to fascism, capitalism does.

      Democrats are Capitalists. The entire rest of your rant doesn’t follow from the first sentence.

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        democracy, the act of people voting for one outcome over another. is not inherently linked to any monetary system.

        if i vote to grow potatoes in my garden lot, and others in my group vote for tomatoes, and they win, so we grow tomatoes, thats democracy. what we want to do with the crop afterwards, and why, is what links it to another system.

        democracy by itself is not capitalist. its just used in capitalist systems, and various others.

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          It’s obvious from context that by “Democrats” I meant the Democratic Party. The post I replied to was ranting about how protest voters who refused to vote for Kamala are to blame for fascism.

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      Anarchism is about power to the people and power to communities, you vote for the best thing for your community regardless of your personal feelings

      Yes, we anarchists famously believe that liberation from repressive structures can be achieved first-and-foremost through voting.

      I get that this is your perspective, but I think you’ve missed the point of anarchism if this is what you think it entails.

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        My perspective is that you fight on ALL fronts and you don’t leave power on the table for fascists to grab just because it doesn’t fit in with your revolution fantasy narrative to do so. I never said nor implied that voting is enough. It isn’t. But it is a simple way to keep dangerous people away from power.

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          That’s dandy, but that’s not an anarchist perspective. Fascism arises from capitalism under threat - if you’re not ready to defend yourself against the state abusing it’s monopoly on violence, then you’re not an anarchist.

          The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.

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              If the house of government was ever truly the people’s, it was stolen from us the moment it was done being built.

              Democracy is only a small measure of power, and in a liberal democracy, most of that power is ceded to capital.