I don’t care what sub I’m in. All I want is leftists to learn to become politically effective. I want leftist objectives to become mainstream. I want to get us out of this endless loop of whining and pandering to virtue signals. I’m going off the starting topic above about how leftists refuse participate in the electoral process because the candidates put forward are not idealistically aligned 100%. This is shortsighted and gets nothing accomplished. These next four years the Overton window will move so far to the right we might as well start over from scratch. It’s one thing to clap all day about progressive values. It’s another process altogether to become politically effective. Some of that requires building coalitions. Doing the groundwork to set up foundations. You know, politics.
All I want is leftists to learn to become politically effective.
So your definition of “politically effective” is to just become liberals?
I want leftist objectives to become mainstream.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the (so-called) “mainstream” exists to co-opt and de-radicalise leftist objectives. The “mainstream” is not funded by Anarchism Inc, you know.
because the candidates put forward are not idealistically aligned 100%.
The candidates put forward are 100% antithetical to leftists objectives. Political parties do not exist to represent the working class and never have. They’re not funded by Anarchist Inc either.
It’s one thing to clap all day about progressive values.
Fuck “progressive” values.
Some of that requires building coalitions.
Coalitions with whom? The very liberals who will sell us out to the fascists as soon as we threaten the power and privilege of their capitalist benefactors?
You’re doing the thing. You’re grandstanding while not engaging with the substance of what I wrote.
I never said leftist have to become liberal. Did I say that? Where did I say that?
I’ve heard this diatribe a thousand times. It’s like you guys share the same copy pasta so you can fellate endlessly to how “neoliberalism is fascism in disguise”.
Enjoy your circle jerk. Some of us are going to roll up our sleeves and get to work trying to make the world better.
Same old same old grandstanding and huffing and puffing. Now we have to drag me politics into any of this as if you really give a damn about Palestine (I know you don’t).
Have fun sitting on your throne of… getting absolutely nothing done.
Please stop projecting, liberal. We all know your ilk is perfectly fine with genocide as long as the blood and gore doesn’t intrude into your first-world consumerist utopia.
You have always been perfectly fine with it… you’re just not as honest about it as your fascist cousins.
Feel free to piss off and sink with your precious and faux “liberal democracy.” No one here will shed a tear for you.
Stop pretending you give a damn about genocide. Im sure you have no idea what is happening in Yemen, Syria, or Sudan. I’m also certain you couldn’t place Gaza on a map before Oct 7. You never gave a shit before Oct 7 and damn certainly don’t care now. It only took you five minutes to bring it up so you can continue your cosplay.
Also, stop ascribing me to liberalism. I have nothing to do with it. And the fact that you’re still playing this game tells me you have not understood anything of what I said so far. I’m done with this conversation
I don’t care what sub I’m in. All I want is leftists to learn to become politically effective. I want leftist objectives to become mainstream. I want to get us out of this endless loop of whining and pandering to virtue signals. I’m going off the starting topic above about how leftists refuse participate in the electoral process because the candidates put forward are not idealistically aligned 100%. This is shortsighted and gets nothing accomplished. These next four years the Overton window will move so far to the right we might as well start over from scratch. It’s one thing to clap all day about progressive values. It’s another process altogether to become politically effective. Some of that requires building coalitions. Doing the groundwork to set up foundations. You know, politics.
So your definition of “politically effective” is to just become liberals?
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the (so-called) “mainstream” exists to co-opt and de-radicalise leftist objectives. The “mainstream” is not funded by Anarchism Inc, you know.
The candidates put forward are 100% antithetical to leftists objectives. Political parties do not exist to represent the working class and never have. They’re not funded by Anarchist Inc either.
Fuck “progressive” values.
Coalitions with whom? The very liberals who will sell us out to the fascists as soon as we threaten the power and privilege of their capitalist benefactors?
You’re doing the thing. You’re grandstanding while not engaging with the substance of what I wrote.
I never said leftist have to become liberal. Did I say that? Where did I say that?
I’ve heard this diatribe a thousand times. It’s like you guys share the same copy pasta so you can fellate endlessly to how “neoliberalism is fascism in disguise”.
Enjoy your circle jerk. Some of us are going to roll up our sleeves and get to work trying to make the world better.
So… just more liberalism from you, eh?
How long do you think it’ll take them to get you to do apologetics for genocide?
Same old same old grandstanding and huffing and puffing. Now we have to drag me politics into any of this as if you really give a damn about Palestine (I know you don’t).
Have fun sitting on your throne of… getting absolutely nothing done.
Please stop projecting, liberal. We all know your ilk is perfectly fine with genocide as long as the blood and gore doesn’t intrude into your first-world consumerist utopia.
You have always been perfectly fine with it… you’re just not as honest about it as your fascist cousins.
Feel free to piss off and sink with your precious and faux “liberal democracy.” No one here will shed a tear for you.
Stop pretending you give a damn about genocide. Im sure you have no idea what is happening in Yemen, Syria, or Sudan. I’m also certain you couldn’t place Gaza on a map before Oct 7. You never gave a shit before Oct 7 and damn certainly don’t care now. It only took you five minutes to bring it up so you can continue your cosplay.
Also, stop ascribing me to liberalism. I have nothing to do with it. And the fact that you’re still playing this game tells me you have not understood anything of what I said so far. I’m done with this conversation
Again… stop projecting, liberal.
Again… we all know your ilk is perfectly fine with genocide as long as the blood and gore doesn’t intrude into your first-world consumerist utopia.
Again… you have always been perfectly fine with it - you’re just not as honest about it as your fascist cousins.
Again… feel free to piss off and sink with your precious and faux “liberal democracy.”
Again… no one here will shed a tear for you.