Of course it can be tinkered with, but it wasn’t really designed to be tinkered with in the same way that you can with a traditional Linux system. It’s designed to keep users from messing with system files with its strict containerised workflow. It’s certainly not targeted at users who’ll want to hack systemd services, customise kernel modules, tweak system files under /etc and /usr, or even compile software from source.
I acknowledge that it’s possible to create highly customised and reproducible systems with immutable distros, but it’s a paradigm shift compared to a traditional *nix system.
I’ve spent 20+ years refining my knowledge of linux and BSD, I haven’t got the patience to start over with these types of systems.
Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not at all criticising these systems for being different. They serve a completely different purpose —one that’s just not for me.
I was just pointing out that the “you can’t tinker with immutable distros” thing is inaccurate. I am relatively new to Linux, so its not as big of a deal for me to adjust and learn how it works. But yeah it’s different and there is a learning curve so if you’ve been using non-immutable distros for a long time, then it probably isn’t worth re-learning a bunch of shit.
I kinda hope one day there is a “easy mode” Immutable distro, or perhaps atleast some kind of point-and-click GUI tools for managing something like flakes on a NixOS like system. I love the idea behind NixOS, but don’t want to learn a new programming language just to configure my system. It’ll get easier in the future I suppose. And when it does, I’ll be here for it.
Obviously Bazzite is trying to be more beginner friendly which is cool, but it’s still quite a complicated system underneath the limited GUI options.
Bazzite is very easy… I think people psych themselves out about using the terminal, it’s really not difficult. You don’t even need to use the terminal in Bazzite if you don’t want to. But you can if you want to tinker or whatever… I just find it strange for someone to be savvy enough to tinker, yet intimidated enough by the terminal to avoid it completely.
But yeah most, if not all, of the things you need to do in Bazzite is available with some sort of gui. It’s just unnecessary imo.
Bazzite allows for tinkering just fine, it’s just different so you have to be willing to put a little time in to learn how ostree works, for example.
Of course it can be tinkered with, but it wasn’t really designed to be tinkered with in the same way that you can with a traditional Linux system. It’s designed to keep users from messing with system files with its strict containerised workflow. It’s certainly not targeted at users who’ll want to hack systemd services, customise kernel modules, tweak system files under /etc and /usr, or even compile software from source.
I acknowledge that it’s possible to create highly customised and reproducible systems with immutable distros, but it’s a paradigm shift compared to a traditional *nix system.
I’ve spent 20+ years refining my knowledge of linux and BSD, I haven’t got the patience to start over with these types of systems.
Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not at all criticising these systems for being different. They serve a completely different purpose —one that’s just not for me.
I was just pointing out that the “you can’t tinker with immutable distros” thing is inaccurate. I am relatively new to Linux, so its not as big of a deal for me to adjust and learn how it works. But yeah it’s different and there is a learning curve so if you’ve been using non-immutable distros for a long time, then it probably isn’t worth re-learning a bunch of shit.
I kinda hope one day there is a “easy mode” Immutable distro, or perhaps atleast some kind of point-and-click GUI tools for managing something like flakes on a NixOS like system. I love the idea behind NixOS, but don’t want to learn a new programming language just to configure my system. It’ll get easier in the future I suppose. And when it does, I’ll be here for it. Obviously Bazzite is trying to be more beginner friendly which is cool, but it’s still quite a complicated system underneath the limited GUI options.
Bazzite is very easy… I think people psych themselves out about using the terminal, it’s really not difficult. You don’t even need to use the terminal in Bazzite if you don’t want to. But you can if you want to tinker or whatever… I just find it strange for someone to be savvy enough to tinker, yet intimidated enough by the terminal to avoid it completely.
But yeah most, if not all, of the things you need to do in Bazzite is available with some sort of gui. It’s just unnecessary imo.