You wrote that explicitly to shame people from using a rule meant to cool down comment sections, and you wrote that to promote the “left unity” delusion by jumping on the attempted bullying bandwagon, so their assumptions are rational at least.
Are you the leader of anarchism that gets to decide who is and isn’t an anarchist? I’ve been trying to find whoever is in charge of the anarchists, it’s an honor to meet you!
Read again. I just said it’s a rational assumption. I didn’t say it’s a valid assumption as I don’t know; just given their visible behaviour, what .ml is and what this thread has become, it would make sense to assume this. Whether it’s actually true is another matter. I’m OK to take Diva’s word for it that she’s an anarchist, but of course her allegiances and actions leave much to be desired by other anarchists like me, so it’s not like I would want to be in the same affinity group or anything.
I’m OK to take Diva’s word for it that she’s an anarchist, but of course her allegiances and actions leave much to be desired by other anarchists like me, so it’s not like I would want to be in the same affinity group or anything.
The feeling is mutual, I prefer to organize with anarchists who are more interested in the work at hand than with policing each other’s opinions.
I don’t police anyone’s opinions? Hell I even allow opinions I consider outright wrong and even toxic to stay up in this very thread . Likewise, all my work is prefigurative and visible for all to see. But apparently I can’t even fucking post an anti-ML meme in peace now for an anarchist crowd and then. Gotta toe that line…
You wrote that explicitly to shame people from using a rule meant to cool down comment sections,
that’s quite an accusation, I think it’s reasonable to infer insincerity from my words, but shame? I think that’s coming from somewhere else. I was mostly being glib responding to someone calling your post bait.
you wrote that to promote the “left unity” delusion by jumping on the attempted bullying bandwagon, so their assumptions are rational
that’s an awful lot to read into one word. I’m pretty sure I was just making a joke, sorry that it was at your expense but I don’t think that’s bullying.
Follow up question: if that was bullying then what does that say about the people doing red scare smear campaigns based on what server people are on?
Oh, so ridiculing the use of the disengage rule does not have the effect of shaming people from using it?
that’s an awful lot to read into one word.
Context matters. You came to an attempted bullying thread and thought “Oh, I’d better pile on the side defending ML regimes”. As I said, It’s a rational assumption.
I came into a bait thread and made a joke about someone posting a bait thread and then telling pretty much everyone responding to the bait to disengage.
It’s not that I have an issue with the rule, or intended to discourage people from using it, but because posting something incendiary and then dodging earnest responses to the bait with “disengage” is funny.
I am not dodging. As I’ve said many times in this thread, I’m using the disengage rule as a because I don’t want (not that I can’t) to argue in a fucking meme thread, but my autism compels me to, so this is my fucking coping mechanism to avoid wasting all my life rehashing 100-year old theory with 24 different terminally online tankies.
But yeah, it’s easier to say “oh you don’t want to argue for 2 weeks with 2 dozen different online theorists? owned!” and pile on, I get it. I don’t excuse you shaming people from the disengage rule though. be better.
PS: Not bait. This is my own space. Tankies don’t have to come here. I, in fact, don’t want to deal with them. I’m just too fucking tolerant for my own mental good. But apparently even letting toxic people post here in masse is not good enough. Saying I don’t want to argue in a meme thread isn’t good enough. Trying to protect my mental health and time isn’t good enough. Because the objective here is to just stop me from posting these sort of memes in the spirit of “left unity”, so the bullying is the point. And you’re part of that now, congrats.
Follow up question: if that is bullying then what does that say about the people doing the ongoing red scare smear campaign based on what server people are on?
if that is bullying then what does that say about the people doing the ongoing red scare smear campaign based on what server people are on?
I don’t understand why you keep bringing this up? Am I engaging in this myself? I don’t even have hexbear defederated (clearly). This line of questioning has “but what about Hamas?” vibes.
I brought it up because I’ve seen you engage in that in this very thread:
This just happened to be where I made my account 2 years ago, but clearly because of 'what .ml is" I can’t be trusted. I will grant that you left yourself wiggle room by saying ‘who knows’, but you did say it was a valid assumption based on server.
.ML is clearly run and administered by MLs, we all know that. Being there doesn’t make one a tankie or someone to be disregarded outright and I never accused anyone of it, but it is still a factor when trying to figure out someone’s motivations, because staying there is a choice. I still don’t think it’s correct for that person to jump to the conclusion you’re a tankie, but I understand why they did it. So neither did I call you bad from being from .ml, nor did I engage in “red scare”. In fact I explicitly said I take your word for your allegiances, even though you behaviour has been defacto in defense of “left unity” which many anarchists reject outright.
However, If you think the choice of home instance never has any importance, I’d beg to disagree and I can present many examples of instances where simply being in them says a lot about the person.
You wrote that explicitly to shame people from using a rule meant to cool down comment sections, and you wrote that to promote the “left unity” delusion by jumping on the attempted bullying bandwagon, so their assumptions are rational at least.
Are you the leader of anarchism that gets to decide who is and isn’t an anarchist? I’ve been trying to find whoever is in charge of the anarchists, it’s an honor to meet you!
WTF are you on about, mate? I didn’t even challenge their anarchist creds. Reading comprehension these days, I swear…
You’re validating a user who’s calling her a red fascist.
Read again. I just said it’s a rational assumption. I didn’t say it’s a valid assumption as I don’t know; just given their visible behaviour, what .ml is and what this thread has become, it would make sense to assume this. Whether it’s actually true is another matter. I’m OK to take Diva’s word for it that she’s an anarchist, but of course her allegiances and actions leave much to be desired by other anarchists like me, so it’s not like I would want to be in the same affinity group or anything.
The feeling is mutual, I prefer to organize with anarchists who are more interested in the work at hand than with policing each other’s opinions.
I don’t police anyone’s opinions? Hell I even allow opinions I consider outright wrong and even toxic to stay up in this very thread . Likewise, all my work is prefigurative and visible for all to see. But apparently I can’t even fucking post an anti-ML meme in peace now for an anarchist crowd and then. Gotta toe that line…
that’s quite an accusation, I think it’s reasonable to infer insincerity from my words, but shame? I think that’s coming from somewhere else. I was mostly being glib responding to someone calling your post bait.
that’s an awful lot to read into one word. I’m pretty sure I was just making a joke, sorry that it was at your expense but I don’t think that’s bullying.
Follow up question: if that was bullying then what does that say about the people doing red scare smear campaigns based on what server people are on?
Oh, so ridiculing the use of the disengage rule does not have the effect of shaming people from using it?
Context matters. You came to an attempted bullying thread and thought “Oh, I’d better pile on the side defending ML regimes”. As I said, It’s a rational assumption.
I came into a bait thread and made a joke about someone posting a bait thread and then telling pretty much everyone responding to the bait to disengage.
It’s not that I have an issue with the rule, or intended to discourage people from using it, but because posting something incendiary and then dodging earnest responses to the bait with “disengage” is funny.
I am not dodging. As I’ve said many times in this thread, I’m using the disengage rule as a because I don’t want (not that I can’t) to argue in a fucking meme thread, but my autism compels me to, so this is my fucking coping mechanism to avoid wasting all my life rehashing 100-year old theory with 24 different terminally online tankies.
But yeah, it’s easier to say “oh you don’t want to argue for 2 weeks with 2 dozen different online theorists? owned!” and pile on, I get it. I don’t excuse you shaming people from the disengage rule though. be better.
PS: Not bait. This is my own space. Tankies don’t have to come here. I, in fact, don’t want to deal with them. I’m just too fucking tolerant for my own mental good. But apparently even letting toxic people post here in masse is not good enough. Saying I don’t want to argue in a meme thread isn’t good enough. Trying to protect my mental health and time isn’t good enough. Because the objective here is to just stop me from posting these sort of memes in the spirit of “left unity”, so the bullying is the point. And you’re part of that now, congrats.
Follow up question: if that is bullying then what does that say about the people doing the ongoing red scare smear campaign based on what server people are on?
I don’t understand why you keep bringing this up? Am I engaging in this myself? I don’t even have hexbear defederated (clearly). This line of questioning has “but what about Hamas?” vibes.
I brought it up because I’ve seen you engage in that in this very thread:
This just happened to be where I made my account 2 years ago, but clearly because of 'what .ml is" I can’t be trusted. I will grant that you left yourself wiggle room by saying ‘who knows’, but you did say it was a valid assumption based on server.
.ML is clearly run and administered by MLs, we all know that. Being there doesn’t make one a tankie or someone to be disregarded outright and I never accused anyone of it, but it is still a factor when trying to figure out someone’s motivations, because staying there is a choice. I still don’t think it’s correct for that person to jump to the conclusion you’re a tankie, but I understand why they did it. So neither did I call you bad from being from .ml, nor did I engage in “red scare”. In fact I explicitly said I take your word for your allegiances, even though you behaviour has been defacto in defense of “left unity” which many anarchists reject outright.
However, If you think the choice of home instance never has any importance, I’d beg to disagree and I can present many examples of instances where simply being in them says a lot about the person.