• Disastrous_Elk_6375@alien.topB
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    So it seems that a bunch of ex-openai core people will move to MS, and possibly work on the same stuff, depending on what MS has access to based on their openai investment deal. They’re most likely to focus on bringing stuff to the enterprise market fast.

    At the same time what’s left of openai will put the breaks on stuff and possibly emphasise safety and slowing down. I think everyone will come out of this kerfuffle having “won” what they wanted. No idea how this will impact the overall field, but possibly some players will get a free catching-up opportunity. Maybe.

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      Please dear Tzeench, have someone leak gpt4 in general confusion, I MUST know if this is really 10 7b models in a trench coat :)

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        What was it then, sabotage? The board had the entire weekend to explain why they did what they did to their employees, but chose not to. No wonder everyone in the company was pissed and signed the letter to resign.

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        Emmet Shear

        I hadn’t followed everything but a quick google away I found this, that I assume you’re referring to:

        PPS: Before I took the job, I checked on the reasoning behind the change. The board did not remove Sam over any specific disagreement on safety, their reasoning was completely different from that. I’m not crazy enough to take this job without board support for commercializing our awesome models.

        Interesting. I think we’ll know more as things settle.

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        Whether it has to do with safety or not, Shear is seemingly more safety-conscious than Altman

        Shear has said in interviews that he thinks the probability AI kills everyone in a Skynet-esque scenario (I’m paraphrasing) is between 5% and 50%

        Whether recent events were motivated by safety or not, the conflict seems to have wound up being between safety-conscious and accelerationist factions

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      depending on what MS has access to based on their openai investment deal

      I think they have access to it all. Since even before all this drama, they pretty much did.

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      Not everyone will have “won”

      End Users are going to get a even further lobotomized product and microsoft is now going to slingshot over openAI with a privatized version

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        OpenAI was not gonna release shit for consumers either way, doomers are to scared of shadows to do it, and GPT3.5 was too advanced to make public by Illya.

        Because Microsoft has GPT4 too, I am pretty sure they are just gonna continue working on what they were before as if nothing happened, under Microsoft, just now are not shackled and can go full steam ahead.

        The doomers lost, because now the acceleration side is free and unshackled. At best, they bought 4 months, but progress might come 3x faster after those.

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    From the article as well: Greg Brockman, OpenAI co-founder, is also joining Microsoft as part of a new advanced AI research team

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    Oh I wish we can get the scoop on the internal gossips… seems pretty juicy under the covers.

    This was a serious coup, even if it doesn’t look like it. It may also mean MS may get on wrong foot with OpenAi…

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      It may also mean MS may get on wrong foot with OpenAi…

      I think they were already there with the coup leaders. My understanding is that Sam being so cosy with Microsoft was one of the big reasons for the coup. Sam was the force at OpenAI behind Microsoft’s involvement in the company. That commercialization was at odds with the other board members non-commercial aims.

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      Maybe MSFT will put Sam in charge of managing the Open AI relationship. Microsoft must have some say in how their $10B investment is used lol.

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        Microsoft must have some say in how their $10B investment is used lol.

        In general, the way these work is in stages. It’s not like an investor hands over the full wad of cash in one go. It’s done in stages. Milestones are laid out and as each one is met they get the next installment of money. So investors have a lot of say about about it.

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    He wanted a place where he could reap profits, stock options and no regard for AI safety. Welp should’ve seen this coming.

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        That’s the point of a non-profit. Which is what he signed up for. I understand that he like any other human being can have second thoughts or new outlooks, but this move was less about covering his ass, and more about crippling the new competition before you make the move.

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    Why are there so many Sam’s dickridder on Reddit talking as if Sam is the main man behind OpenAI’s recent success over Ilya, who was already an accomplished scientist when he was still in academia with Hinton?

    If they fire Ilya over Sam and he move Google/Meta/X, I believe they would surpass OpenAI very quickly.

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      Redditors are mostly decently privileged people that rather see thing they can use rather than thing being developed safely

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      If it was up to Ilya there wouldn’t be ChatGPT or GPT-4 for public use. So I don’t see Google/Meta/X want to hire Ilya (on his terms)

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      It’s been astounding seeing how reddit in their ignorance have made SA the hero. I mean really, the tech bro who brags about AI doom to hype the tech he’s selling (he doesn’t even have a degree). Reddit typically hates these types, but I guess we have some kind of GME capitalist worship thing going where reddit decided ‘the board’ was evil. And don’t get me wrong, the association with EA which is kind of culty from some board members doesn’t look good either, but that’s not what reddit picked up on.

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        Honestly on reddit I see more people defending the wealthy class than tearing them down whether it is Musk or Trump or Taylor Swift… It is scary and stunning.

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      Ilya is pro-safety and Sam is pro-immediatism and turning it into a product (atleast to people of Reddit), it pretty much boils down to that

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    embrace! extend! terminate! << Microsoft

    but jokes aside, this is crazy. Sam becomes the head of OpenAI again since Microsoft has a lot of say into OpenAI and it will do anything to support its customers and keep the AI integration going into its products with no obstacles.

    but i dont know OAI doesnt seem to have a future. What a stupid blunder by the people who built it. Microsoft is going to get a butter smooth transition behind the scenes, they get all the talent, the gpt-4 (and 5 too) and will throw OAI into the dustbin once the transition is over. Right now Sam being part of MS gives assurance to all customers that Microsoft will keep the ship flowing without or without OAI. Once MS is on its own, Sam will also leave to do his own thing as he is.

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        Microsoft has been working with OAI on integrating GPT into products, and there has probably been a lot of technical knowledge spread back and forth.

        Now Microsoft has the leadership team from OAI, as well as whatever information OAI wasn’t sharing with Microsoft before, and they can probably start transitioning away from their reliance on OAI.

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          So, according to you MS has all the technical knowledge needed, they were just just missing the key ingredient of Sam Altman.

          Lets say i disagree with that notion.

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    I can’t imagine working at OpenAI, staring at an $80B valuation, and then having some self righteous prick torpedo the entire company.

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    I hope I read this situation right that OpenAI is trying to avoid getting dragged further into the for-profit corporate machinery. In the light of all the ClosedAI memes, I’m so confused why the majority seems to cheer for Sam. He’s the guy that turns startups into billion dollar companies.

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      Yeah it’s sad. It’s just revealed that most people are firmly stuck in the narrow minded venture capitalist induced mindset of startup success means highest validation possible. When literally the reason all this happened was to assert that that is not what openAI was meant to be

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      Because the alternative is that you’ll never see the models they develop. You’ll hear about it in the news once something goes wrong if ever.

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        I don’t see how the for-profit goals align with being better for everyone. The publicly available models seem to be at least 6 months behind the latest developments, and how they’re built is a complete secret. The public doesn’t get to see anything and it’s accelerating who knows where behind the scenes.

        I see how what the board did was terrible, because it was seemingly just destructive with no way back. The board being wrong doesn’t mean Sam is some kind of savior. I don’t see how Sam’s actions/direction are pro-humanity over just a game about controlling whatever is at the other end of this.

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    Here I am just hoping any of it becomes open source.

    IDC about more wannabe corporate models.

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        I wouldn’t rule it out. If some company wins the big pie slices, the others might then decide the best offense is co-operation. Nothing to depend on ofc.