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I see this everywhere. Hidden or transparent monochrome American black flags on large trucks or 4-Runners. Usually speeding or driving aggressively on the highway.

I found this:

The black and white American flag originated during the American Civil War between 1861 and 1865. It was created as an opposing symbol to the white flag, which symbolizes surrender. Confederate army soldiers flew the black flag to demonstrate they would not give in or surrender to the enemy. It showed that they would rather be killed than taken in as prisoner.

And this:

Sometimes soldiers show respect for their country by using the black version on their vehicles

My question is for the people doing this. What message are you trying to send? Are you openly telling your coworkers and neighbors that you are still supporting the South in a war that ended long ago? Are you low key showing your support for Trump? Are you ex military showing support for your country? I ask because at least for me, the message is unclear.

  • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    That image is a useful counter to what’s being shown in the article you posted earlier, glad you found it. Good to know we agree on something.

    [Edit: The image was changed]

    Your later edit is missing the point as well. I have not said that the no crossing sign is racist. The example shows that a symbol plus an additional message conveys a meaning that the symbol alone does not.

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      1 year ago

      except you can’t explain how without making a false equivalence, which is why your argument makes no sense at all.

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        1 year ago

        I guess I don’t see what you see in my words then. If you look up “No Quarter flag”, you’ll find image results showing the black and gray one linking to the article as well as some more pirate-themed ones. There are also images showing the monochrome flag in various forms. It’s worth noting that these include the text “No Quarter” (or equivalent representation of that phrase). I won’t hold that up as a particularly rigorous way of examining the meaning of a symbol but you can find the US Army guide to wearing flag patches here PDF in section 21-19, paragraph a on page marked 234 (though it’s 251 of 367 in the PDF). It mentions a green and black flag specifically though other color schemes (including gray and black) are commonly available.

        I think painting all who wear or display a subdued flag as racists / racist apologists / etc. would be using too broad of a brush. Some are legitimately shitheads for one reason or another (including racism) but a monochrome flag alone isn’t a strong enough indicator and you risk finding enemies that don’t exist.

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          1 year ago

          I guess I don’t see what you see in my words then

          probably because I’m not trying to twist myself into knots to defend racism and racist symbology with a long list of logical fallacies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

          also, nice cherry-picking

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            1 year ago

            You’ve found a nice listicle or something with those images (call me out for ad hominem next) but I think we’re not going to see eye to eye on this. I haven’t had to “twist myself into knots” and am certainly not defending racists and their symbols. You’re rejecting explanations for common and benign use of a monochrome flag that doesn’t support the outrage you feel.

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              1 year ago

              were not going to see eye to eye because I’m not defending racists and racist symbolism using a bunch of logical fallacies. I reject your explanations for the reasons I explained: they’re logically fallacious and not based on fact.

              and your stubborn insistence and denials don’t change that.