Pluralistic: “If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing” (08 Dec 2023) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
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The ability to change features, prices, and availability of things you’ve already paid for is a powerful temptation to corporations.

      • gapbetweenus@feddit.deEnglish
        144·
        11 months ago

        You seem to not understand what the word own means and the difference between material and not material goods.

          • gapbetweenus@feddit.deEnglish
            134·
            11 months ago

            I have a thing and than someone takes it away, so I can’t use it anymore. If somebody copies that thing - it’s not really theft.

            My point is more - concepts from physical world don’t nessessary apply to digital world.

            • ParsnipWitch@feddit.deEnglish
              42·
              11 months ago

              It just seems that what you are saying is that people shouldn’t be paid if their work doesn’t create something physical.

              • gapbetweenus@feddit.deEnglish
                22·
                11 months ago

                Nope, that’s not what I’m saying. I just make a difference between copying, stealing, physical goods, digital goods and immaterial things. They are not the same.

                Easy examples: original and copy does not really apply to digital works or two people on opposite sides of world can have the same thought but not have the same physical object at the same time, etc.

                • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  11·
                  11 months ago

                  Please name for me something someone could create on a computer, that you would agree they should be paid for; even if they show a demonstration copy to someone.

                  • gapbetweenus@feddit.deEnglish
                    2·
                    11 months ago

                    What ever they can find someone to pay for. I my self pay or use legally free software for my work. I just do t think that if someone pirates a copy of adobe cs it’s equivalent to theft of a physical good. Completely ok in my book for private use a bit shady for commercial use - but adobe subscription model is shady in my book anyway.

              • TootGuitar@reddthat.comEnglish
                52·
                11 months ago

                You say “ask the dictionary” — multiple dictionary definitions as well as Wikipedia say that theft requires the intent to deprive the original owner of the property in question, which obviously doesn’t apply to copyright infringement of digital works.

                You say “ask the law” — copyright infringement is not stealing, they are literally two completely different statutes, at least in the US.

                So, what the hell are you talking about? Copyright infringement is not theft.

                  • TootGuitar@reddthat.comEnglish
                    31·
                    11 months ago

                    My brother/sister in Christ, everyone in this discussion is talking about copyright infringement. That is the actual legal name for what we colloquially refer to as “piracy,” according to, you know, the law, which you previously referenced as something we should look to.

      • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
        74·
        11 months ago

        I love how you guys play these mental gymnastics to justify this shit to yourselves.

        I love how you bootlickers always deny that anyone could possibly have a principled objection to modern intellectual property laws. I don’t need to “justify” at all. I rarely even pirate anything, but I don’t believe I’m doing anything wrong when I do.

      • aylex@lemm.eeEnglish
        11·
        11 months ago

        “Something you never would have dedicated as much time to if you couldn’t be compensated for it.”

        Just telling on yourself 😂