• The Barto@sh.itjust.works
      3·
      11 months ago

      No, only the people I like are allowed to play on this public playground…

      But it won’t matter once Lemmy brings in instance blocking for users.

      • mkhoury@lemmy.ca
        41·
        11 months ago

        That doesn’t actually fix the issue. If Facebook is trying to set itself up like Chrome with the webplatform, or GTalk with XMPP, then they will drive the feature set of ActivityPub, whether you’re federated with them or not.

        Hypothetical example:

        Want to see this picture/video from someone on Threads? You need Facebook’s proprietary picture format, which has DRM baked in it. Even if you don’t federate, Mastodon, Lemmy, etc now have to take energy away from their work to adopt the proprietary picture format. It depends on the proportion Threads takes on the network and how they can leverage that position to put pressure.

        Threads currently has voice notes. Should all ActivityPub services support that? If so, do we adhere to Threads’ standard or not?

        • damon@lemmy.world
          1·
          11 months ago

          They don’t have to take energy to adopt the format. You do realise that current ActivityPub services don’t support all services and features of the other platforms? You realise a great deal of Fediverse utilises Mastodon’s implementation of AP? So a lot of what people are worried about Threads doing has already been done by Mastodon.

          • mkhoury@lemmy.ca
            1·
            11 months ago

            It was just an example. The same can happen at the Mastodon-level instead of the Fediverse-level. Since there is some desired interop (e.g. between Mastodon and Lemmy), services do influence each other in their feature set.

            I’m not sure what you mean by “a lot of what people are worried about Threads doing has already been done by Mastodon”. Do you mean that the decisions that Mastodon make influence the rest of the Fediverse? If so, let’s make sure we understand the difference here: Threads has a much more hostile disposition. Mastodon seems to have incentives aligned with the rest of the Fediverse services, and probably deserves the benefit of the doubt; Facebook has abused that benefit time and time again.

            • damon@lemmy.world
              1·
              10 months ago

              No, I’m talking about making extensions to the protocol that becomes the defacto standard

    • 0xtero@kbin.social
      7·
      11 months ago

      Not more than it is now. Everything is already public so if they need it, they’ve already been collecting it. This doesn’t really change anything.

      • h3ndrik@feddit.de
        1·
        11 months ago

        And it’s how federation is supposed to work. Either you want to send your content to other instances or you don’t. But federation is the wrong tool if you want to stay alone. You can defederate and block them if you don’t like their terms.

        • DarkThoughts@kbin.social
          2·
          11 months ago

          Even without federation / specific protocols. You can just take about any sort of content on the internet pretty easily if you wanted to. Search engine crawlers do something similar, otherwise search results would just not work at all.

    • spudwart@spudwart.comEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      Honestly. This is a social network platform. Assume all you post and share is being collected via web crawlers and data brokers pulling from the api.

    • Helmic [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      It aleady has been. Anything, anything publicly posted and available will be harvested by, at a minimum, Google spiders. The only privacy benefits of any site can only be promises that they won’t share the information that you don’t publicly list.

      And even then,.all it takes is the feds raiding a dipshit Kolektiva admin to get that information illegally anyways.

      Do not organize serious actions over social media. At most, hold sensitive discussions over private, E2E encrypted chats like Matrix.

  • Jaytreeman@kbin.social
    4·
    11 months ago

    Anyone know of kbin or Lemmy instances that will insta de-federate from anything meta?

    Edit: missed the ‘de’

  • timconspicuous@lemmy.ml
    4·
    11 months ago

    I’m very curious how this will all shake out. I can understand all of you who want to block Threads and the only two instances that I am on myself are going to do exactly that, but it seems tremendously likely that the flagship instance of the fediverse, mastodon.social, will federate and it will have a massive impact on not just the culture, but also on the codebase. For example I wonder what services will go for feature parity and add features like voice notes which Threads added recently. Oh and culture-wise, with POTUS joining Threads, big institutions like the White House will suddenly appear on the fediverse.

    Still holding out hope that a bunch of new users and new ideas will rejuvenate the fediverse, in any case 2024 should be a big year for it.

  • 0xtero@kbin.social
    2·
    11 months ago

    Will be interesting to see how they deal with nazis and CSAM from all the Japanese servers.

  • Delusion6903@discuss.onlineEnglish
    32·
    11 months ago

    I look forward to the additional people Threads could bring here. Once the conversations are both directions I think many people will migrate to this side to avoid ads and Meta.