“I was following orders” is not a defense to committing a crime.
I am equally shocked and completely unsurprised this wooden amalgamation of a parody of a human actually used the “I was just following orders” line. Not a dumb guard or a patrol agent or a desk clerk, but an actual Secretary of Homeland Security. (for whatever prestige or value is held in a position that was invented in 2003 because white people suddenly got scared of Muslims.)
Well that’s the wonderful thing about being a cult leader. You’re the only one who can solve the problem. So you get whatever you want, you get all the credit when things go well, and when everything goes wrong… you become everyone’s scapegoat. It’s not a valid excuse, but it is human psychology.
“Suddenly”
And here I was just naively blaming all three of them
yeah… she is a goner
If you’re an adult who has been put in charge of an entire government department, you should take responsibility for your actions
The buck stops wherever it doesn’t hurt my fee-fees
PeeWee Himmler is a student of Nazi Germany, and expected that Americans would fold up like Germans still recovering from WW1. He thought that murdering a few people in the streets would intimidate the entire country into staying in their houses. He doesn’t understand that Americans grow up hearing fables of Revolutionaries whooping the most powerful army in the world.
Americans don’t get intimidated, they get angrier, and eventually they get ferocious.
Tbh a big portion is that we have nearly live coverage from a million different angles. Without that the newspapers would have said he was a domestic terrorist and we would have had no further information.
Valid.
It’s hard to convince us when we have footage from every angle, which is the reason for all these “auditors” with cameras, and also the reason that ICE Apes consider cameras almost as dangerous as guns.
Minnesota is complaining that they can’t prosecute the killers without the evidence that DHS stole, but it seems to me that all the evidence they require is the many videos of each incident. Just play those for the jury, and they’ll convict.
All they’re doing is pissing off the people who already have guns, while convincing their political rivals to start buying guns.
And then we take a song you wrote to mock us and sing it as a celebration of that time we kicked your ass.
The club of those who beat us includes only three members, two of which were proxy wars we ultimately weren’t willing to commit to. Not exactly a record that screams “easy target”
Who are the 3 countries? Canada, Vietnam, Afghanistan, ottoman empire, or cuba? Im sure there’s more that’s just off the top of my head.
I’m not familiar with the Ottoman case. Cuba ig I see an argument for. It didn’t occur to me because the Bay of Pigs isn’t usually thought of as a war and it mostly wasn’t us on the ground. In any case, it was such a slap dash affair that it only makes my argument stronger
I bet the fights, screaming matches, broken lamps, slammed doors and broken phones in the white house over the last week has been fucking glorious. I would pay thousands to be a fly on a wall there just to watch these unhinged freaks become unhinged freaks at each other when everything starts going off course.
They thought it would be different by now. They expected more legal victories (it’s not covered but they’ve lost a LOT of ground in courts) and they thought they would have a stronger public mandate, they thought liberal, middle-class America would be looking at them like saviors and heroes by now, they thought their WWE fireworks and spectacle would win over more than the same, steady 28% - 30% of the country.
But here we are, Trump is becoming unmanageable and may literally just DIE at any moment, they’ve made reverse progress getting JD Vance ready to take the reigns, and everyone is just staring at Miller, this egg-headed wormtongue that keeps feeding Trump schizoid lines because he’s basically just Elliot Rogers reincarnated. And now there are waves of rolling strikes going around, and the conservatives broadly are absolutely enraged about threats to their guns. Even the liberal nightly news is on network TV is outright saying Trump and his admin are making shit up. The tide is turning sharply.
There is some satisfaction in all this.
Oh it’s absolutely beautiful. For the first time in a year and a half, I’m not fucking ashamed of my tribe; and I look forward to feeling similar about my government.
Yoo. Ess. Ay.
Perhaps her tongue should be cut out to verify that
Hey all, I really want this to be true but let’s keep it above board. that site you just listed has a lot of scam sites linked at the bottom with AI slop trying to prey on vulnerable people to invest in vymnex/linkbait scams.
I hate what the right are doing too but we can remain to strive better than this. Don’t dive to this level.
Fight better.
that site you just listed has a lot of scam sites linked at the bottom with AI slop trying to prey on vulnerable people to invest in vymnex/linkbait scams.
It does?
disables ublock origin
Oh, there they are! Yuck!
Voyager.
Every news site I visit has these now?
So these news sites you have been visiting; you admit you haven’t stopped even for a beat to question it or at least cross check your news before swallowing and sharing the slop?
Bad human. Bad.
In Trump’s administration the buck just keeps getting passed until the next news cycle.
I want Miller out. I hope this happens but Trump likes him so…
Unfortunately that excuse will not hold up.
Hundreds of Nazi’s used the same defense. They were hanged shortly thereafter.
read more.
barely 12 Nazis were killed at Nuremberg, 10 were hung.
In five-and-a-half years, Landsberg Prison was the place of execution of 252 condemned war criminals, all of them by hanging.[4] Executions were carried out expeditiously. In May 1946, 28 former SS guards from Dachau were hanged within a four-day period.[5] Bodies that were not claimed were buried in unmarked graves in the cemetery next to the Spöttingen chapel.
Oh, yeah. She’s done.
I wish too but that website has AI generated investment scams all over the bottom of it. I’m hesitating to believe this.
Sounds like you could use some ublock origin in your life.
Voyager.
I dearly hope she takes Miller with her somehow
She does seem like the “I’m taking you down with me” type, doesn’t she?
Pretty much everyone in the GOP is that type. It’s basically a prerequisite to be that selfish
We can only hope it’s a rats on a sinking ship scenario.
Yes, in a blaze of glory mexican stand type scenario would be great.
The Puppy killer, Ghouly Goebbels, and the child rapist all blasting each other. No survivors!
I mean… she’s not completely wrong, but she could have, you know, not have followed fascist orders too. All on them need to be held accountable
Not so much not follow orders, but how about go for the job. You don’t get a job like that without going after it and pulling strings. And you could resign at anytime.
Agreed. “I was just following orders” has pretty famously been eliminated as a credible defense.
Except the Trials where that precedent was supposedly established actually allowed a great many people to escape conviction using that exact defense, then the prosecution subsequently gave up on the trials altogether. The Nuremberg trials were a travesty of justice, not because the Allies set up kangaroo courts, but because in an attempt to avoid such accusations and through unbelievable prosecutorial incompetence they let almost every Nazi who was still alive run free.
What I’m getting at is, don’t expect justice to magically administer itself.
Oh indeed! These people will not see justice.
Y’all really don’t understand that this headline is tailored for you.
In Noem’s mind, this says “Kristi Noem Credits Her Actions to Trump and Stephen Miller.”
She’s running to the MAGA safehouse. This isn’t “I was following orders.” This is “I was given orders, and look at how perfectly I followed them!”
Ah, but she just sinned against Trump. She said something that can be interpreted as blaming Trump. That’s a big no no to a narcissist.
You can only see it this way if you’re on the receiving end of a left-oriented headline. Your perspective is fueled by clickbait. Trump’s perspective is still mafia mentality.
Trump’s already publicly defended her on Fox News, and I can’t tell if a throwaway quote on Axios or Trump standing in a Golden Corral or whatever the fuck it is, giving an interview about how she’s “done it all” happened first - it’s a matter of hours. Point is, she is loyal AF and she is his last line of defense on everything DHS does. He needs her now more than ever and she’s survived much worse several times over already. She’s the shield he uses for everything - and he’s positioning himself that way for a long-term benefit to him. Bovnio was always disposable because he’s not in the money club. Noem is, and she’s young enough to have a career after all this if our timeline gets worse. Even if she gets impeached.
Trump can’t play Noem out until it’s worth it to him, and it’s no where near that yet. Bovino was the cost already, and no one liked him on the right anyway. Plus he flew too close to the sun, and THAT was the sin to a narcissist, to think he could play at the same level. His job was as a shield for Noem, full stop. Homan is next up until he installs the next public-facing nazi cosplayer and goes to Maine to also be the fodder for the next round. Trump hates LEOs and the military until he needs them, and so they’re the disposable ones to him.
Except Stephen Miller explicitly said they were doing it wrong and they were looking into why things were being done incorrectly…
It seems like they are spinning into it is being done wrong but it’s their fault, maybe up to and including Noem…
I get what you mean, but just now Trump is distancing himself from the negative perception of the ICE murders, so it might be a bad time for her to point the ownership at him.
I agree with you, this is her intent. But Trump and Steven will throw her under the bus to give the people a culprit and then keep doing everything they’ve been doing. This is why they sent Bovino home and replaced him with Homan.
Never. Or…not never, but not until it’s really worth it. Noem absorbs flak for Trump, Bovino absorbed it for Noem. Homan is just Senior Manager playing Middle Manager until they get some new idiot in there to do the job and absorb flak for both of them.
Homan knows enough to stay in DC and out of the way of televised action. He’s been an appointee for 22 years. He’s not stupid, he’s not a MAGA appointee chud, and he’s not naive. He knows the politics of his job and knows that as an Obama-era appointee, even if he looks like he slipped up, he’s out with that mark on his record to blame. He might be loyal, but he can never live down that original sin and so he goes on TV to slur his way through a Meet the Press interview and defend Trump to extend his worth one more week at a time.
Agreed – they do seem to have a higher bar in 2.0 for the level of absurdity they can get away with without tossing acolytes under the bus.
Interesting about Homan, I haven’t been following for that long. Didn’t realize his history.
And I guess the real point is that this article is meaningless because even if she does go away, it doesn’t matter. They’re still going to keep doing what they are doing. We haven’t won yet.
“I was given orders, and look at how perfectly I followed them!”
You can’t run to MAGA if you blame Trump for anything, they won’t accept it.
It’s extremely inconsequential for all of them to just blame the person that’s least likely to face justice for any crimes, so it seems even that was a calculated fold, even if it folded like a cheap suit.
There’s that word again. “Blame” is a word that includes judgement imposed on you by the medium. Judgement is 100% absent from how Trump will get the information, and he absolutely does not care about what someone else says about someone else because he’s a narcissist. They will gladly all say “Oh, I dunno…ask the other person…” until the news cycle ends and this whole Iran invasion happens.
FFS, if Kash Patel is still in with these people, and Noem is displaying solid gold loyalty, this will blow over in a day or two. Really. Set a reminder on your phone for a week from now, or two weeks, and either give me a solid " I told you so" or not.
