After the attack, Deobra Redden told a marshal the “judge has it out for me” and “judge is evil,” according to a document from the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.
  • NounsAndWords@lemmy.worldEnglish
    78·
    2 years ago

    Some people are just really lacking in impulse control. I imagine they are also more likely to end up in front of a judge for the same reasons.

    • kromem@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      2 years ago

      This is why Hell is such a stupid concept.

      There’s a literal “moral privilege” in that it’s much, much easier to live life in a good way depending on physical structures in your brain.

      You’d be surprised at the rates of TBI in incarcerated violent criminals.

      Turns out damaging people’s impulse control pathways leads to crime!

      Just yesterday I was walking past an old person on the sidewalk and had an intrusive thought about pushing them out into the street, followed by a thought of “man I’m really grateful that I have a functioning impulse control - it must be hell to go through life where thoughts like that could turn into terrible consequences because there’s no mechanism catching errant impulses”).

      While this guy should definitely not be out in public where he’d likely continue to harm people, I think we generally underappreciated just how little separates all of us from behaving just like him, and overestimate how much of his behavior is because of choice as opposed to circumstance.

      We shouldn’t try to be so punitive with criminal justice. A functioning society does need to keep violent people separated from potential victims, but we really don’t need to be such dicks about it.

      • brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        TBI, lead exposure, malnutrition… gotta try to be kind.

        Interesting we have more sympathy for those who impulsively, say, eat non-food items, versus lash out violently.

        Something I don’t know: is there any reason to be more sympathetic to someone who self harms (say cuts themselves) than someone who harms others as a result of mental illness?

        We say “died by suicide” instead of “committed suicide” to speak closer to the reality of a situation, to acknowledge how awful it is when pain exceeds resources available for coping with that pain. We necessarily view murder as abhorrent, and I won’t defend murderers at large, but I question if some percentage of those who kill were mentally ill to the point they deserve exactly equal sympathy to others who were just as ill but whose illness manifested without violence.

  • athos77@kbin.social
    632·
    2 years ago

    And attacking the judge was somehow going to make it better?

    Holthus was preparing to sentence Redden on a charge of attempted battery with substantial bodily harm when he rocketed across the room.

    Great, now he has three more identical charges to face.

    • qprimed@lemmy.mlEnglish
      251·
      2 years ago

      The man who brazenly attacked a Las Vegas judge after leaping over the bench and slamming her into a wall told corrections officers he had a bad day and tried to kill her, a police document shows.

      and a possible attempted murder charge?!

            • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              71·
              2 years ago

              That’s not how the insanity defense works. And even if it did you probably wouldn’t want to use it, because mental hospitals are a lot harder to get out of than prison.

              • pewter@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                2 years ago

                In 2008 a man decapitated someone on a Greyhound, he taunted the other bus riders by showing them the severed head, and he ate some of the body in front of the other passengers. His lawyers used the insanity plea. He served his time and was let out in 2017.

                If he didn’t plead insanity, I’d be extremely surprised if he weren’t still in jail.

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean

                • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                  41·
                  2 years ago

                  Yeah, as that took place in Canada and most countries treat mental health problems much better than the US, like the incident in the OP. If he had cannibalized someone in the US he might not even be alive.

              • xor@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                23·
                2 years ago

                i did not say, “insanity defense”, nor did i imply it.

                i find your replying to me as if i did, quite vexing.

                on my first impression, these are the actions of someone who is unable to control themself, and as such, should be treated as a mental health case instead of a normal violent offender. there’s more to the story, of course.

                i also think mental hospitals and prisons should be drastically reformed…

                • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                  4·
                  2 years ago

                  Sorry, I was assuming by “criminally insane” you meant “not guilty by reason of criminal insanity” aka the insanity defense.

                  I agree that he probably needs mental health treatment regardless of whether or not he has any additional punishment.

  • Deceptichum@kbin.social
    436·
    2 years ago

    Probably the most reasonable approach.

    The system is rigged to benefit a select group of rich people and companies, might as well go out fighting it.

    • takeda@lemmy.worldEnglish
      19·
      2 years ago

      I’m sure the system is rigged, and a lot of people who shouldn’t, go to jail, but in the case of this particular individual the judge was 100% right and the defendant showed it loud and clear that her reasoning was right.

    • 768@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      2 years ago

      This person did not have any plan other than dodging accountability. Again, this incident is not a class issue alone and de-rigging systems is a bloody sport not done by de-electing, jailing or killing the ‘wrong’ people.