I heard that they require plaintext data to work. What are the other factors to this?
Nearly all are run by companies making money by recording as much of your data as possible.
A commercial cloud app could be entirely private but then the company would not be able to take your data.
There is no real technical reason. They could be. It’s just a matter of encryption while in transit and no logs. Proton does it.
The real reason most aren’t, is that there’s not much incentive to make them private. The data has potential value, so why not hold on to it.
AFAIK you can only encrypt the connection to the AI and promise to not keep any logs, but the AI needs to ingest readable data. So whomever owns the hardware can see what’s being fed into it. Yeah you can mix instances and chat history and not link the requests to any one person but it will never be completely private.
Yes. All that’s true when using a 3rd party AI engine.
That’s why Proton is running their own, in house. The AI still needs plain text. But they can ensure everything is isolated and private.
Proton allegedly does it.
It’s all just advertising, until you get the hard evidence.
Most modern legal systems today presume innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
Proton is structured entirely unlike any other tech company. It would be against their own self interests to lie about their privacy claims. Their entire reputation is built on it. Any leak would destroy them.
welcome to the real world, where corporations lie.
Not the real world. Just your imagination.
Corporations lie for profit. Where’s the profit for Proton in keeping peoples AI queries, when they’ve been proven to not keep any other data? Literally they have nothing to gain, and everything to loose.
Skepticism and pessimism aren’t the same thing. And baseless pessimism is just jaded. Jaded is the dark equivalent of naivety. They’re both equally simplistic ignorance.
there has been in the news several instances where proton has given to law enforcements information that have hold onto. in some cases regarding journalists.
their answer is always “ah, yeah. we do keep that one, but not the other data”
before you ask…an example https://privacyradar.com/news/privacy/proton-mail-payment-data-stop-cop-city-activist-identified/
Of course they have to keep some basic account data. And I think the last IP you logged in from. Also email data outside the BODY can’t be encrypted. That’s just how email works. So law enforcement can get all of that if they convince a Swiss court to order Proton.
But no they don’t keep or turn over anything that isn’t technically required for the service to work. I don’t know what you’d expect.
in that particular case the people involved were identified through their recovery email which they did not hash like ‘safe’ other providers do. they have positioned themselves as safe even for activist and journalists and have failed to deliver in that account consistently.
no surprise since their CEO is a MAGA guy
can you link me your source about Proton being “proven to not keep any other data”?
have you ever checked them?
could you point me to where any of them proves that Proton isn’t actually collecting any data?
because I am only reading about penetration tests and such, which only tell me that their software is reliable against attackers, but that is not the point of the discussion.
also it seems there is no audit for their AI assistant at the link you provided.
Most modern legal systems today presume innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
That’s because guilty people in the legal system get put in cages.
“The cloud” is just somebody else’s computer.
Why would they be? Clearly no one cares about privacy, and they can sell your information to make money.
