• jarfil@beehaw.org
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    10 months ago

    Many of these you can really only identify by their genitalia. So what would be descriptive names?

    Let me present: Opeatocerata megalophallus (NSFW… or something… Google it at your own risk)

    that wouldn’t help a layman

    A layman doesn’t get impacted by the taxonomy of anything. Whether it’s an Ursus Arctos, a Pangasius Hypophthalmus, a Staphylococcus Aureus, or an Acacia Barbinervis, what a layman wants to know is whether: it can eat them, they can eat it, or neither.

    in many fields, there is not a lot of information on how a species looks like

    If there is a way to tell two species apart, that information can be used to name them. If there is no way to know how they look, just slap an ID number; no look, no name.

    what limits us today is the sheer amount of information we already collected.

    I don’t think that’s really a limitation. Start with a sequential ID number, add identifying information, references to IDs with whatever similarities or relationships, think of a descriptive name afterwards.

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      So your idea is to get rid of names and replace them by IDs? But how would communication between researchers work then? If I say, “Do you know R283BQ23? Oh no, that’s actually R283BQ24”. OK, so you propose to use descriptive names for more common species I guess. But how can you make a distinction which species are important enough to have a descriptive name? For specialized researchers the species in their field need a rememberable name. So you end up with a big list of IDs and many new (and some old) descriptive names. You have now just made everything more complicated for everyone. Researchers already work on making the species names workable. If you look at plantsoftheworldonline, they already have a huge database of species IDs with additional information. Why introduce a sequential ID number? Have you worked in biology or taxonomy? (From how you write species names I would think not). I think it’s a nice idea to have such a neat order with sequential IDs. But you quickly realize how hard this would be to accomplish the moment you start working with any organism. Just thinking of multiple species that are actually the same or any species that is actually two or species that hybridize a lot or species interactions or species that we simply cannot tell apart yet but that are probably various species. As much as I like order, as much I have to admit that nature is messy and we try to impose an artificial structure onto it that will never fit.

      Regarding the actual debate on changing offensive names of species (or whole genera/higher taxonomic orders), I would be in favour. I get why we need consistent rules but the article gives good examples how this can be accomplished. I would also be in favour of more descriptive names and a ban on naming taxa after people. On the other hand, from the hundreds (thousands?) of species I know/had to learn, many are named after people and as I said, it will be very hard to find good descriptive names for millions of species. These rules preventing us from arbitrarily changing names means also that older names stick so often the descriptiveness of names can be deceptive. A made up example could be following: someone newly describes the species you named before O. megalophallus because in the genus Opeatocerata there hasn’t been any species with such a long phallus. But then other researchers later find various species more with even larger penises. Now you already have O. megalophallus with a more median penis and have to come up with new descriptive names for the other species…