• rdri@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    This is not comparable with sharing credit card information.

    How so? Your family would have the same access to your private chats and nothing would stop them from using it with malicious intent.

    How encryption works is not the issue. The issue is with people expecting it to protect content shared with a group.

    Maybe read about how telegram handles data. It’s encrypted.

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      8 months ago

      What’s your point? The same goes for 1-1 chats. If you don’t trust the people you are communicating with encryption is not going to help you. It just happens that I do trust my friends and family. And it’s not about sharing specific sensitive information, it’s about using technology that prevents mass surveillance. And Telegram is just a bad tool for that. You might as well use Instagram.

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        8 months ago

        The same goes for 1-1 chats

        Exactly.

        it’s about using technology that prevents mass surveillance. And Telegram is just a bad tool for that.

        You did not read, sigh.

        What’s your point?

        Already stated above. People put themselves in danger by using public groups to discuss dangerous stuff. You prefer using an app that doesn’t give you such a possibility and call it “secure”. It doesn’t make sense if you never wanted to discuss dangerous stuff or use public groups in the first place.

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          8 months ago

          I dont know why you keep arguing that encryption should only be used to discuss dangerous stuff. It should be used to discuss private stuff. Like when I sit with my friends and talk, I want it to be private, not recorded in clear text and saved on some server. Not because it’s illegal or sensitive, but because it’s fucking private. And I can’t do that with Telegram, because it’s doesn’t encrypt my information.

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                8 months ago

                Could you just read the thing? Private and group chats are called cloud chats and the image above describes them. Below is a graph for secret chats.

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                  8 months ago

                  Yes “cloud chat” is not end to end, but only encrypted to the server. That’s what all services to including Facebook and Instagram. If it’s not end to end it’s useless.

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                    8 months ago

                    Now you’re just denying the obvious. You complained chats on telegram are not encrypted, and that’s false.

                    That’s what all services to including Facebook and Instagram.

                    Since both Facebook messenger and Instagram messenger use e2e you seem to really mean just Facebook and Instagram websites. And I wonder how could they be functional if they used e2e.

                    If it’s not end to end it’s useless.

                    It’s not and you probably realize that much.