This is just going to keep getting worse. The US needs to start backing out while we still can. Let Netanyahu do what he wishes over there, just stop dragging us down with him. This would not completely abandon the Gazans, we still have the pier going up to keep sea aid flowing in.
We need a bill in Congress to begin dissolving our treaties with Israel.
Biden is claiming that the U.S. will not join Israel in a retaliatory attack on Iran. We shall see if that holds true.
Symbolically, that is good. But practically, it does not really matter.
Israel and Iran are getting into a tit-for-tat. The problem is that they disagree on who is tit and who is tat. Iran (and the US, and every honest observer) thinks both sides got their strike in and considers the matter closed. Israel seems to think they are owed a strike. The problem is that if Israel takes another strike, Iran will feel that they need to take anotherone, at which point Israel will feel the need to take another one, … . Unless one side is willing to let the other have the last attack, this ends in war.
For it to be meaningful, Biden would need to say “The US will not back you in a war with Iran if that comes as a result of this exchange”; but I can not imagine Biden doing that.
Israel’s position in this matter is transparently farcicle. What seems to be happening here is:
- Israel attacked an Iranian embassy.
- Iran attacked Israel. Most of the attack was intercepted, and Israel suffered minimal damage.
- Iran says “you titted, I tatted. We cool now” You are here
- Israel says “Perhaps you misunderstood my previous act of war. Please find enclosed a second act of war”
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- Israel and Iran are at war. The US gets dragged in. Netenyahu clings to power and avoids criminal prosecution on corruption charges for a little longer.
- Iran sets off a nuclear device. Russia will join in Ukraine with “They did it first!” and we’re all done for.
I’m really, really starting to hate Netanjahu. I’ll admit, I was wrong at the beginning of this year, saying he does what he has to. Everything Israel has done after the first two weeks after the terrorist attack is utterly ridiculous.
Unless somewhere down the line, the Israeli people find their backbone to toss Netanyahu out to the ocean. It’s more likely to happen before a WW3. But nobody knows how many lives must be ruined before that point.
Somehow Israel always seems to wind up in these sort of conflicts. Hmm.
Even if the US refuses to participate which I find doubtful, how much does that matter if the Israeli fighter pilots are US trained, using US equipment, aeronautics and dropping US made bombs on Iran?
I mean yes there is a difference but it just feels pedantic.
This is more related to defense but here goes.
It makes a lot of difference. Rockets cost a lot of money so they don’t have unlimited numbers. The same is true for air defense systems. There’s a finite number of rockets they can intercept at any given time. Hamas already discovered that limit for Iron Dome. Now think about the attack from Iran. It took rockets and jets with rockets from at least 3 militaries to stop all of them, and that was with days of warning to prepare. If Israel was fending them off alone, they wouldn’t have stopped 99% of them. Now consider a 10000 rocket salvo.
5 militaries.
Israel, Jordan, US, UK, France
We have the numbers in what Iran says it spent, what Israel says it spent and what Israel said America spent.
35 million for Iran
Over a billion dollars for Israel
And, according to Israel, over a billion dollars for America.
The missile strike wasn’t a failure. It was a huge success for Iran. The screening cruise missiles and drones were there to be destroyed so the khybar ballistic missiles with 1500kg payloads could hit their targets.
Iran notified America of when it was launching 72 hours before it did, and that is was only targeting military targets, thus limiting the potential target space that needed to be defended.
Iran spent 1/2000th of what America and Israel spent. There is no way to view that as a success for Israel, or a failure for Iran.
There is now a new calculus in the middle east where Israel will now face consequences when they attack other nations.
They are scared.
Last I checked, Israel has 0 Supercarriers, that would be the difference. Our bloated military budget has developed the largest military ever, and Israel would love to be able to use that against Iran rather than face Iran alone.
Good news for them, I guess… If history is our guide, they can have as much as they want.
The US doesn’t want to pay for a war right now. I drive around freedom potholes and see freedom homeless everywhere because of the last wars.
Thinking the US doesn’t want to pay for a war is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever read in my life.
I didn’t say they don’t want to go to war, I said pay for one.
He also said he does not support genocide. A conservative’s words should never be trusted. Their actions are what matters.
Something tells me not join simply means you only get US funding and weapons instead of funding, weapons, intillegence, and support vessels.
If you think that port is for aid I have some bad news for you.
Yea, what’s that?
It’s not for aid
What do you think it’s for?
Biden wants to start offshore drilling for oil.
Uh huh. And how would a dinky pier in Gaza assist Biden in offshore drilling in an area where the US doesn’t even have legal economic control? Even if that was the goal, seems to me the much larger port facilities just a tiny bit north would work just fine.
Dog it’s what Biden said…
Kill some babies, maybe colonize some land, destroy a whole lot of infrastructure. The usj! This meeting sure could have been an email.
Oh for fuck’s sake. They attacked you, the attack failed. Let it go.
Failed?
They sent just enough to get through the defense systems to make their point.
Not only did they show that they can hit Israel if they want, they can do it with precision, and while warning everyone ahead of time that it was coming.
All of that on top of the intelligence they got on 5 different countries militaries and their response times and scenarios.
FFS they underhanded a wiffleball, that Israel still almost whiffed, and now Israel is pretending they knocked it to the fences when they lucked into a bunt that went foul.
The attack succeeded, it cost 50% more to defend from. Iran could do these weekly to exhaust israel, you only have so many missiles while drones are cheap and easy.
It cost a lot more than 50% to defend. Israel says it spent a billion. Israel says the US spent a billion (Though it was likely more, as it is becoming apparent that the US shot down most of the missiles successfully intercepted.)
Iran spent 35 million.
They spent 5700% more then Iran.
Putin would like to point out that it would not exhaust Israel as much as it would exhaust the U.S. We are Israel’s primary defense. Which is why it’s fucking outrageous that we allow them to start wars.
It succeeded. The only way to view it as a failure is if you aren’t paying attention.
Fixed headline:
Israeli war cabinet to consider doing more war crimes after illegally bombing Iranian embassyIf only the most militarized super power on earth didn’t give decades carte blanche to a land grabbing military in order to launder government funds to weapons manufacturers while being able to attack brown people and call it ‘defence’. I guess destabilizing the ME is more profitable though and boy do they want to be able yo brag about a good economy right now. Weapons and cash will contine to flow even if the US military stops aiding them, and you can set you watch to that.
Should probably bomb all their hospitals, schools, and cultural sites, then round up their population and starve them. Make sure to kill all international aid workers and press that witness. Go Israel!
“Thanks for meeting, guys… Let’s see. We have all these free U.S. weapons, vehicles and delivery systems we can use. Pretty much an endless supply. So, which toys do we want to play with first?”
