I think you may need to surround yourself with better people, or work to influence the ones you already know in a positive way.

Agreed on the first point, his book is a very good argument for him to be PM. But I wouldn’t say “Couldn’t read” to save their life, but unwilling to read that which they don’t already assume they will agree with. Which is a problem across the political spectrum unfortunately.

I think it has to do with an old saying.

“Speak softly and carry a big stick”

Generally we as Canadians on the international level speak softly, while the US speaks very loudly. It is of no shock to me that you only remember us when we have to bring out the stick because we aren’t as “interesting” to watch as the US is.

We may have Cirque du Soleil but everyone knows the real circus is US politics, and it is hard to compete on the world stage with the best of the best. haha

Carney is essentially a conservative (except for socially) by most metrics.

What metrics have you used to paint Carney in this light?

He handled Trump really well in his first month but there is legitimate risk he has private (as opposed to public) interests at heart.

What information do you have that demonstrates Carney is a legitimate risk to public interests?

I guess that’s better than the alternative (Poilievre) who will undoubtedly prioritise private interests. At least there’s a chance Carney might do some good.

Is the chance Carney does “some good” higher than the “legitimate risk to public interests”, and what information are you basing this comparison on?

Hoping for a liberal minority government. Canada is very fortunate to have a third party (NDP) to keep their mainstream “progressive” party in check. We’ve seen how things have gone to shit in the US.

We have seen what happens with a Liberal Minority propped up with the NDP, which is the bare minimum.

Why do you believe it will go better a second time?

Agreed.

I would just love to see highly-competent people in politics across the board. We need less career politicians, and ideologues, and more experts in their fields running the show.

Well put and I second the encouragement to read his book. If nothing else it will help one understand Economics a little better.

Well “Generic American”, tend your farm before the “Generic Canadians” have to. This is your problem to solve and you do not want outside help, especially from angry Canadians. Ask Germany how that goes.

Who is “We”?

We need to be taking this very very seriously and keep tabs on anyone in Canada pushing this rhetoric.

He is escalating more and more by the day and there is a good chance he does something really dumb.

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I am so thoroughly disappointed in every other party, especially the NDP, and at this point I will not vote for anyone else until they get their heads on right and some real leaders in place. I was a lifetime NDP voter and volunteer. I am happily voting Liberal this election because Carney is the only leader worth the title with legitimate experience to navigate this shit show.

The NDP MP in my riding showed how dumb and fake he is with a Pierre style make over and a leather jacket, while the Liberal running against him has a B.Sa. in Neurology and a masters in psychology who has also helped raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for mental health research and support.

No contest. The “fringe” parties are done for a bit it seems and good riddance. Never thought I would ever say that.

Thank you.

Sunshine simply took a speech shortcut by referencing first nations, which remote areas with polar bears are mostly populated by, but anyone living there would need a rifle to deal with the wildlife.

Not a very good shortcut when it is easier to type “People in remote areas” than it is “First nations in remote areas”.

You’re essentially asking for an electoral system to keep extremists at bay, when no such system exists because it is simply impossible for any system to do that. Trying to use an electoral system for such a purpose is operating at the wrong level if you want to keep extreme views in check.

Not what I am asking for, it is what is being argued. “PR will prevent us from US politics” was the original argument. Feel free to look at other countries with PR and use them as examples. Far right is on the rise regardless of the political system being used and Germany is a perfect example since they have gone from Nazi to never again to back again in less than 100 years and PR did shit all about it.

Germany has a unique history with far-left ideologies, how it got dismantled, and how the East and West reunified. If you look at the current state of old East Germany, you’ll see that the prosperity of the West did not flow into the East; their living conditions are bad, amenities lacklustre, there’s not enough jobs around and they don’t pay well, and the Western population can easily buy up their lands and properties just due to how much disparity there is in terms of wealth. And if you look at the electoral map and results of the last election, you’ll see that both far-left and far-right parties have a strong hold on old East Germany. This is the failure of the German government at truly unifying both sides of the old Germany. And if anything, I’d even argue that it’s a successful example of PR at work, as far as being a system goes.

All countries have unique histories, and Germany isn’t special.

PR is argued as the golden bullet to avoid “American style politics”. It isn’t. That is my point.

Keeping or adopting any kind of Winner-Takes-All system will simply further divide us and keep voters feeling disenfranchised, believing that voting brings no effective change, all for no good reason.

I am not arguing for winner take all systems. I am arguing against PR being this amazing thing that solves the problem. It doesn’t and I gave an example. Feel free to look at every other country that uses PR and examine the results of recent elections. The right is seeing a Global rise and PR as a voting system isn’t stopping it.

An electoral system is not political. It’s the framework of which you exercise democracy.

Trying to make frameworks, which are meant to surface all voices, suppress certain ones is, frankly, barking up the wrong tree.

I don’t need all of this fluff, but since I responded to everything you said without you once answering the question I posed to someone else:

How many more elections until they form Government do you think? (The AFD in Germany)

Do you think polar bears take “no” for an answer?

I’ve been to Churchill, MB. People there have guns to fend off polar bears. A polar bear WILL maul you if you do not fire first. We were not allowed in some areas of the territory unarmed.

Do you think Polar bears care if you are indigenous or not?

Indigenous people do not have a right to weaponry in rural areas over others as sunshine argued and I disagreed with.

We should greatly reduce guns for cops. And only allow them to be available for the special forces, army and First Nations in remote areas.

Thank you for at least understanding at an elementary level that PR does not prevent Far right extremism like you once claimed.

Take care.

Perhaps you haven’t noticed but AFD came in second overall in the last election. Again, I ask you, how many more elections until they form Government in your opinion?

Ask Germany with 20% AFD in their parliament how PR works. How many more elections until they form Government do you think?

First Nations in remote areas.

No.

Oh look, once again, I was right.

Be shocked if it wasn’t so common.