BlackCoffee

Reaffirming of what?

That twitter is a walking corpse?

My timeline is full of bots, spam and trolls and it looks like it gets worse with the day.

If Spez likes that future for Reddit then sure.

“Meta and met with them after signing an NDA”

This should tell quite enough.

“I regularly get called a power-hungry mod by the crybabies who get angry when they aren’t allowed to break the very clearly stated rules, and repeat their offenses after getting first, sometimes second warnings. They run to other places and go try to stir up other crybabies to come and cause the same kind of trouble.”

Isn’t there something about this in the rules/code of conduct or something?

I’ve seen the vitrol that mods get called on the daily.

Why isn’t Reddit taking concrete action against this?

I see it as Reddits obligation to educate the community about moderators and what they do on the daily.

It is in their best interest to of course not do the above because otherwise moderators may actually feel like an important part of the eco system.

And Reddit would not like that.

“Do you think Reddit cares? Honestly.”

My post says what I think. Of course they don’t they haven’t cared for the better part of 8 years. It’s why I ran PDS and stopped with using Reddit as of this week.

“But there are people who need these little rest stops. They need a place to post a picture of their Mickey Mouse balloon, or their engagement photo in front of the castle, or their debate about what on earth the writing on some poster says. It makes them happy and there’s a whole blossoming community there, of happy people in a safe space.”

You know that Reddit will use this as leverage whenever they can right?

“We’re just some stupid, terminally-online folks who need to touch grass. Doing unpaid labor for an abusive place that doesn’t care. All to make some little virtual people on the other side of a box (who also hate us) happy.”

Why would you even talk about yourself like that?

If it wasn’t clear I am hardcore in the moderator camp.

I would not be a moderator even if you would glue me to a chair and threaten me to mod or I would be forced to watch every season of seinfeld in that same chair. I absolutely despise seinfeld.

You are literally the gateway between the community and Reddits pockets. Why do you think that Facebook pays a buttload of cash for their moderators.

I come of as harsh maybe, but for some reason I feel like I care more for the moderators then the moderators do for themselves.

You should be proud of the work you do and the shit you take on the daily.

Sorry if I come on strong, but believe me it isn’t to dunk on you or the moderators in any way, shape or form.

I am probably way to invested in this part of the saga so I will stop posting about this part at all.

I show enough consideration because of my post where I go deeper into the whole situation. I also used to be a part of the communities in Reddit.

You are missing my point.

If you really want change you should know what that would entice and what that would bring.

If you just wanted to posture and get brownie points then the 48 hour blackout was perfect for doing something without actually doing something.

But humeur me; How is this beneficial for the community in the long term?

What has Reddit shown that it cared about its communities and moderators over the years?

It does prove Steves point though; It all will blow over and people will bend the knee.

The motives of the community and Reddit do not align in the slightest.

I do not understand these posts at all.

It sounds like that you are just not interested in building a new community and rather go back to the ivory tower that is reddit.

If that is so just say it.

What are you gonna do when Reddit is gonna implement the next thing that would be unbeneficial to the community?

If you know that the possible new mods are asses, why not call reddits bluff?

Let them see what good moderation is about and what happens when you don’t care about the good moderators for years.

You are probably afraid that a new mod team would do just a good a job as you and you will be forgotten after a day. Then of course what would be all this for if change wouldn’t happen? Other questions you are asking yourself can entice; Is my moderation position really that hard to take over? Are the changes really affecting me?

You are probably afraid losing something that you put your own time and effort in and the idea that someone would ruin it or just take your place is a situation you are not ready for. I would understand all that but then why black out at all? Rigorous changes after 48 hours only happen in Disney movies, you should know that.

Sorry to say but most of the community does not give a damn about moderators and you know it. They care about the content that is provided to them that is what they are hooked on.

This only shows that Reddit has full control over you and your actions and they can do whatever they want to whomever they want because you will bulge the first second they threaten to take your moderations position away.

For the life of me I cannot understand why people would gladly be providing money in Reddits pockets, while the community and moderators don’t see a penny, don’t see any user improvements, get constantly lied to, while getting bend over on every turn.

I am gonna say this again; I thought moderators actually got paid by reddit. I was baffled when I heard a few days ago they weren’t. I thought and still think it would be absolutely ridiculous to invest your time and efforts for a profit making company for absolutely nothing in return.

In the meantime Steve huffman is spitting in your and the communities face every step of the way, not caring about you or the community at all.

I have a whole lot of respect to the people who gave up their mod positions just to make a stand for themselves.

I really don’t mind if subs stay open, if you like to moderate be my guest. If you don’t agree with the blackout, sure.

But the posturing about the greater good for the community, just don’t.

The 5% lay off is just a start.

They’re gonna cut corners wherever they can.

I’ve been on twitter once a day and it is overrun by bots,trolls and low quality tweets.

Insane what a sh*tshow it became.

"Long story short, my takeaway from Twitter and Elon at Twitter is reaffirming that we can build a really good business in this space at our scale,”

For the people in the back who think the situation is salvable and are caring about the “communities”.

It is gonna be wild the coming months.

Beehaw has a code of conduct that everyone can read.

They already said that it is hard to effectively mod because the tooling isn’t there yet.

I really wish people would hamper their expectations a bit. With more people coming, there will be more people willing to contribute for tooling etc. These projects are in it’s infancy so growing pains will happen.

Facebook for example pays around 500mil per year for moderating and Reddit has free labor for it. But even then, Reddit is dependent on 3rd party tooling for their moderators to effectively moderate. That is a company that exists for 18 years or so?

At one point I expect there to be tooling available to make it easier to target ban people from an specific instance or even defederate specific accounts from an instance.

But if you are a mod team of 4 people without effective tooling then I hope that people understand the predicament they are in and also support the server in their efforts and try to understand their reasoning.

At least you don’t have to switch to another platform, you can just make an account on the instance and participate.

I have been toggling between instances and accounts per instance for a good week already and I encounter zero problems with it.

If you just make an account and “activate” the keep yourself logged in checkmark than you can easily switch between instances.

In this stage we are self governing to an extent. The behaviour of people can affect a full instance so everyone has the obligation to think before they post.

Just don’t be a dick/troll/spammer/bigot is more then enough to keep federating for your instance enabled.

Which is a good case against the centralization of information.

I have been way to comfortable just using Reddit as my source of information with the usage of 3rd party applications.

What if Reddit puts the subreddits behind a paywall?

What if Reddit is gonna demand that every subreddit generates an x percentage revenue just to exist?

What Reddit has shown with their actions is that they are gonna put monetization of their userbase first and user experience somewhere in 10th.

The possibilities to screw the users in regards of the information they consume is…worrying.

It will end up the same as 9gag did. Some weird facebook/instagram/tik tok clone used for people who have an attention span of 60 seconds.

Wouldn’t be suprised if more subreddits will follow and start early.

It also has more impact to do it out of the blue.

It is free tooling for reddit.

On the background they are probably developing accessibility tools themselves albeit crap versions of course, if it is developed by the same team that did the official Reddit app.

It is extremely scummy because they will restrict the access for this specific App down the line when they don’t need it anymore.

They are a bunch of scumbags really.