I think it’s American rugged individualism, conservatives have an easy time agreeing on binary decisions (women’s rights bad, science bad, immigrants bad, etc) whereas anything progressive requires complications solutions and problem definitions. In that there are many right answers, and liberals seem willing to be more angry with someone 95% in agreement with them rather than the people trying to drag the country backwards.

The majority of the American people voted for project 2025 to run the US… What do you want him to do? It’s the will of the (very stupid and bigoted) people

I know that was a lot to write so I want to acknowledge I read it all, appreciate the effort.

The existence and interactions of your group of activists is fascinating, I admit I lean towards radical inclusivity so it sounds a bit wild to me, but I also get and respect how difficult it is to maintain group cultures and where exclusivity is necessary and productive.

I fully agree that there will likely be some unity under Trump out of necessity and that it will unfortunately probably be temporary (can’t help but think about Biden getting the most votes ever being strong evidence towards that)

Not much follow up except to say you seem like a good person, hope whatever influence you seek is supported.

Well said, and I didn’t intend to say you are tearing down anyone.

The only relevancy to you is your statement about organizing I think is very important, but the blocker imo is that complex issues require working together in ambiguity and I’m seeing less evidence than ever that progressives who very much agree on what a problem is, and most of the solution to that problem, they then start squabbling rather than working together.

I don’t disagree, but I think that’s still the cart before the horse.

People in general need to stop tearing down people who are closest to them if any complex issue is to ever get solved imo. After the US election all you see is blame getting thrown around, and most of it (that I’ve seen) is blaming people closest in values for not approaching issues in the exact way the blamer wants them to.

Progressives seem like they will always struggle to make anything complex and meaningful happen when they tear each other down, meanwhile bigotry and regressiveness is pretty singular and easy for their opposition to mobilize.

And yet, he lost.

Bernie bros whinge so much about how unfair such and such was to Bernie. Do you think Trump’s campaign would have been less fair?

Also do you forget Russia was supporting Bernie because they wanted him as a spoiler, and yet you all sit here and continue to divide rather than support people who are damn close to your own values. It’s insane.

Are you kidding? Is that really an event you think proves your point? Please tell me you will read further on in that event than whoever sold you a partial story and fooled you into thinking that.

The issue is you can’t teach someone who not only doesn’t want to learn, they react in opposition to the idea of understanding anything outside of emotional reactions.

I also hope that those similar to your ideals focus on building you up for your common values, rather than arm chair criticisms while ignoring the deeply problematic other side of the equation.

I wish you all the luck in gathering voters behind your cause

Is anyone really that uninformed though?

People voted for the racist rapist. Ignorant would be a component

It’s really fascinating how so many online have all the answers, and it would be so easy, and yet, you’re not out there doing it

America voted for Trump, but you’re going to blame the people who were working extremely hard to offer a viable alternative?

Sorry but that’s bullshit and is harmful.

Voting is quintessential to getting us out of this mess and trying to downplay the power of voting is only beneficial to those currently in power.

There are many actions to take beyond voting, but there is one very specific reason trump is president right now: his people voted.

Wow, next you’re going to say Orange lives don’t matter.

Jokes aside, agreed, tolerating intolerance has little difference from supporting intolerance.

Yes, if we don’t let the Nazis back in then we’re no better than them!

Also, that guy killed Hitler.

That was never the democrat’s message.

What you are describing is the disinformation that you fell for.

To add to what the other person said, the biggest enemy of the boring party that wants to make the country better and isn’t making up ridiculous claims is apathy. (Not truly just apathy, but also people have lives to lead and it’s not like they get the day off, and voting isn’t the center of their life)

Mostly just look at the polling numbers after Harris was announced and how they have slowly fallen since then. There may be other reasons of course, but I find it hard to believe that people who supported Harris ever have any less support for her on a topic when comparing her to Trump.

Arnold absolutely sucks for what he did, I have long pointed to it as one example of why he shouldn’t be so glorified for not being completely insane as other Republicans.

That said, the other poster you’re talking to is in the right here, you’re ignoring the point entirely.