Are you kidding? That’s very on brand for Janeway.

John Lithgow looking weird.

Nonviolence is an inherently privileged position in the modern context. Besides the fact that the typical pacifist is quite clearly white and middle class, pacifism as an ideology comes from a privileged context. It ignores that violence is already here; that violence is an unavoidable, structurally integral part of the current social hierarchy; and that it is people of color who are most affected by that violence. Pacifism assumes that white people who grew up in the suburbs with all their basic needs met can counsel oppressed people, many of whom are people of color, to suffer patiently under an inconceivably greater violence, until such time as the Great White Father is swayed by the movement’s demands or the pacifists achieve that legendary “critical mass. – How Nonviolence Serves the State

Critical support for the collection of Dims, Ghosts, and Gimmees just trying to make a better life for themselves.

They were part of the ship’s frame of reference. This applies to standard physics but is explicitly true if there’s a warp bubble around the ship.

Now who can argue with that? I think we’re all indebted to TheFerrango for clearly stating what needed to be said. I’m particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic Star Trek technobabble, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.

Alan Tudyk would have been a good Stamets, but Anthony Rapp has been perfection.

A lot of my head canon around this and the notable lack of automation prevalent in Starfleet: it’s a futuristic, post-scarcity jobs program. Yes, it’s about exploration and rendering assistance and all that. But it gives people something to do, a way to serve the whole. Picard said as much to Geordi when Scotty was aboard. I’ve of the many things Starfleet does is give people a sense of usefulness.

I always got the impression that the medical staff doubled as life science experts and that was the reason for the blue.

Were we watching the same speech? The one where she condemns them, but states that she doesn’t have the freedom to kill someone that another might live (in this scenario, killing an alien for the sake of a crewman) and ultimately decides to turn them loose with a promise of reprisal if encountered again?

Janeway’s own log started that Tuvix was better than the sun of the parts; a better cook and tactical officer. The point of a team is that no one person is a point of failure. Factoring in a hypothetical future scenario is spurious.

An extrajudicial execution (to be charitable) for no crime is beyond most ethical frameworks.

And not one person has even tried to reconcile the speech to the Vidiians.

I understand but disagree with that perspective. To me they were not alive at the time. However, you still haven’t accounted for the rest. Reconcile the Majalis problem and Janeway’s own speech to the Vidiians.

If you abandon your principles when things get hard then they’re not principles; they’re hobbies.

You’d fit right in on Majalis then.

The two crew members that were lost at the same time Tuvix appeared? The dead (not alive) ones? And again, square this with the speech she gave the Vidiians.

If you’re going to refute, then address the whole thing.

This is not a trolley problem in that there is sequence involved:

1: Tuvok and Neelix alive before transport

2: Tuvok and Neelix dead and a new rational being in their place. This being had a moral blank slate and are thus blameless for the circumstances of creation.

3: Janeway decides that the speech she gave to the Vidiians was just hot air and that she will kill Tuvix to get the original two back. (Non lethal ways were explored, but quickly abandoned)

4: The blameless being makes an articulate case for their life, and even addresses the “needs of the many” argument by stating the truth: the other two are gone and the new being is there. (Raw, unalloyed utilitarianism is problematic at best, just ask the people of Omelas Majalis)

5: The doctor straight up says that the procedure is unethical and refuses to do it.

6: Janeway does it anyway.

Calling it a trolley problem is reductive and inaccurate.

(Edited for typo.)

Why is it that even in the memes, O’Brien must suffer? 🥺

I found myself wanting more from the video; favorite episodes/plot arcs/characters and so on. But it was still cool.

Why do I get the impression that this is part of basic Ferengi education?

Huh, and here I was expecting Meteion the Endsinger (scroll down to The Source of the Sound). That’d be a good crossover. Giving her a Starfleet Captain speech 😂