You are free to peruse my comment history here on Lemmy, Youtube and Reddit for evidence of this accusation of yours if you so wish - otherwise, I’ll just be ignoring it, okay?

Yeah I might have been speaking a little too strong because I’ve seen you posting around here and I know you’re no fan of the IDF. I’m not saying you have a pattern of defending the IDF, but I think you’re doing so in this case by mistake.

You’d think the intel on these systems would be valuable to those that are targeted by US imperialism.

Fair point. If he still had access to critical US intel, then leaking it would have been more productive.

I guess modern-day anarchists just don’t understand how the intelligence business works (which would actually explain a lot - including why Bushnell didn’t even see himself as becoming an intelligence asset to them)

Why on earth would the average person (including anarchists) understand how the intelligence business works? If you have any resources on that, I’d love to read them, because this would be very niche information that would be nice for the community to have.

I have to wonder why he felt the need to act so unilaterally? Do tell… what would you have advised him to do? To go ahead with it and set himself on fire for the cameras? You know… considering that this is the only way he could “atone” for his sins in your book - for whatever that is worth?

No I cannot stress enough that suicide is not the only way to atone for what veterans have done, or even a good way without extra information (i.e. making it a protest, taking soldiers with you, etc.). If I knew Aaron Bushnell, I would have selfishly told him to stay around and organize protests and direct actions, and see if he could use his cybersecurity expertise to secure anarchist communications and sabotage imperialist systems. I cannot stress enough that I do not believe that Aaron Bushnell’s suicide was “ideal”, and I selfishly would have loved to see him do more. But at least he tried, even the teeniest tiniest amount, in an imperfect and brash way, to fix what he broke. The people we’re talking about aren’t even trying to fix what they’ve broken; they’re just trying to escape it.

Yes… he won the approval of all the armchair revolutionaries by setting himself on fire. But before that, he was just another “baby killer” to them, right?

Correct. He was just another baby killer until he took action to fix what he broke. However, as I mentioned, he could have done lots of other stuff that didn’t require him to set himself on fire.

That’s quite a high bar to pass… I guess it’s no surprise that there is such a gigantic schism between the modern left (emphasis on the “modern” part) and military veterans.

Again I want to see veterans do actual productive activism, but if (and only if) they refuse to do that then I’ll happily watch their suicides 🍿

Bushnell was a cybersecurity spook for the US military - he could have done a lot more than just fragging his peers.

Could he have? I’m not a cybersecurity expert, but my understanding is that these systems are designed to be robust to attacks by former personnel. But even if he could have done more…at least he did something. At least he tried. These IDF soldiers are doing absolutely nothing. They’re not even trying.

Reading through these comments I can pretty much see a pattern of first-world, liberal views being projected onto a society the commentors absolutely do not understand - and it’s annoying.

Okay but Pissrael is a first-world country that claims to hold liberal views. So even if I made such a projection of first-world, liberal values onto my analysis of IDF soldiers… I haven’t actually lost anything in the projection, because they are first-world liberals.

figuratively pissing on the graves is hollow edginess and nothing else.

Yeah which is why it’s surprising you’re figuratively pissing on Bushnell’s grave as a way of standing up for IDF soldiers…

Aaron Bushnell didn’t just kill himself. He transformed his death into a protest. He didn’t just go quietly in the comfort of his own home. He picked one of the worst ways to go, in public, and made it known without a shadow of a doubt what he died for.

So yeah, Bushnell didn’t frag his peers, but he did at least do something positive with his suicide… unlike IDF soldiers. How many IDF soldiers have made their suicides a protest? Nah, when IDF soldiers kill themselves, it’s because killing Palestinians is “icky” and they can’t deal with it, not because they consider Palestinians worthy of being mourned.

Even those who refuse and are lucky to get an exemption pay a heavy price, with their job prospects shot to hell and their standing in society reduced to traitor. Not even the left wing in Israel supports them.

Unironically yes, taking the L and tanking the consequences is the only moral thing to do in that situation holy shit. If it’s serve in the IDF or {insert consequence here}, you take {insert consequence here}. It’s literally that simple 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦

Fail opinion, get a better one

Do you not?!?

Kill kill kill I love murder I love suicides I love dehumanizing I love proletariat blood flowing if they happen to be on the bad side.

Yeah that’s why I feel just horrible whenever working class Nazis get killed because working class people can do no wrong /s

People who get non-combat jobs are unlikely to kill themselves over their service.

following orders even when your conscience says it’s wrong to do so.

Not an excuse.

So yeah, i stand by my statement that IDF Soldiers who kill themselves because they can’t live with what they’ve witnessed are victims of the same machinery that kills children in the strip.

Oh my God no, choosing to take your own life out of guilt from the actions of the army you served in is not morally equivalent to a child being obliterated by said army. Please I’m trying to be patient here

And those committing suicide are those who see their / their sides wrongdoings

Not necessarily.

these people are victims just as the people in the Gaza Strip.

Aw hell the fuck no! IDF soldiers are not fucking victims of their own actions. For fuck’s sake please tell me I misread that 🤮

IMO this is addressed to the IDF soldiers who refuse to change their ways.

I am crazy but the only help I need is the abolition of all forms of domination and hierarchy

Richest country on the fucking planet yet we can’t won’t pay ATC 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦

Very cool! Apparently someone did an open-source implementation of this (OpenEvolve).

Fight like Hell to survive with whatever leverage they do have.

No and they never have. They’ve always been crushed continuously, died alone in silence, and been forgotten about.

Maybe? Maybe not? If this SS bolt is on the person’s motorcycle, it could plausibly be seen by dozens of members of the public. In any case, I did mention not to do it with this account for this exact reason.

Yeah you’re right and that’s fucking bleak. Still, I’m sure there are some people in your boat who aren’t okay with having a Nazi living next door, working for them, etc.

Can you dox them or just otherwise fuck their shit up with this information? (Not here because I don’t know how identifiable you are but just anywhere.) Sucks that you have to live next to these people 😣

And people wonder why I don’t go outside