Whixh is why the protests need to be focused on the oligarchs in control, rather than their hired goons.

The gun was holstered on his body. A man in a tan coat and no (visible) body armor removed it and stepped into the street with it. Less than twonseconds after he had removed it, we hear the first shot.

Alex was licensed and lawfully carrying.

Ok, I think I found the source of that discrepancy. He was a member of “AFGE”, the American Federation of Government Employees.

Being unfamiliar with that organization, I initially thought “AFGE” might have been an Air Force organization. I suspect someone else might have made this same initial assumption.

This comment thread is the only indication I’ve seen that he was associated with the military in any aspect other than his work for the VA.

Imagine there is a gang of state sponsored murderers beating down your door,

If state-sponsored murderers are at my door, I’m dead. Short of my own state-sponsored violent actors, there is no viable defense. The sooner you understand that, the better.

Rolling out the (proverbial) guillotine is the only viable means of stopping their boss from issuing the orders.

We should not be focusing protests at these ICE fucks, and we should not be protesting in cities and working-class neighborhoods.

Every atrocity committed by the agents of this oligarchy, we need to be picketing the oligarchs.

Here’s five good places to start.

The only viable “defense” here is for us to shift our focus away from ICE and toward the oligarchs.

Hanlon’s Razor. Incompetence adequately explains everything that happened here, and is, IMO, much more damaging. A competent group of conspirators can be brought under control. An incompetent group can’t help but continue fucking up, time and time again.

The latter is much more dangerous.

Cite that claim. I’m not saying your wrong, but to my knowledge, he was a nurse working at a VA medical facility, rather than a veteran himself.

Edit: Found a brief biography: https://wisconsinwatch.org/2026/01/man-killed-by-border-patrol-officer-in-minneapolis-was-an-icu-nurse-who-grew-up-in-green-bay/

Boy Scouts, choir, high school, college, research scientist, nursing school, avid bike rider, new Audi. No mention of putting in 4+ years on a military career.

I highly doubt it was intentional. That would require a certain degree of competence that is entirely lacking here. From the agent’s initial and unecessary provocation, to the escalation with pepper spray, to the vicious attack on a compliant subject, there is no evidence of competency here. That the officer handling the victim’s weapon lacked the most basic weapons handling skills seems on par.

There’s another video that shows a man in a tan jacket standing up from and walking away from the dogpile immediately before the first shot. He has a pistol with a holographic sight mounted on the slide, pointed at the ground. This appears to be the victim’s pistol.

It is the 15MB file, starting with AA67, in this Proton Drive

It appears that this officer disarmed the victim, then discharged the victim’s weapon into the pavement. This appears to be the first round fired.

First off, a change of venue, away from the people earning 5 and 6 figure wages, and toward those earning at least high 7-figures. These ICE clowns aren’t the problem; the problem is the bastards sending them.

Let obscenely rich people know they are going to take the heat anywhere ICE shows up, and watch how quickly ICE is disbanded.

They can start here.

You evidently have displayport, so the solution seems pretty straightforward. Pull hard disks, install windows on a blank SSD. Send series of nastygrams to MSI.

Whatever you’re planning on doing about ICE agents, redirect toward anyone with 9+ figures of net worth.

Uh, my argument was the reverse: That it is celebrity worship, and that celebrities have proven substantially more effective presidents. Reagan and Trump have easily been the most influential presidents since Truman, and only because Truman used the bomb.

My point was that the problem with celebrities in the White House has been their right-wing agendas, not their celebrity status. Their celebrity status enabled them to achieve their agendas in a way that the other, mediocre presidents couldn’t.

Why should we select yet another boring, ignoreable, mainstream, career politician instead?

Exactly. The role of the president is defined by the president. They have a cabinet for a reason; they don’t need to be experts in everything.

Presidents entering office with celebrity status have proven extraordinarily capable of pushing their agendas. The problem isn’t “celebrity”. The problem is that their agendas have sucked. Stewart’s agenda doesn’t suck.

Reagan and Trump have proven that actors and media personalities are extraordinarily good at pushing their agendas. The problem isn’t that they were/are celebrities. The problem is that their agendas suck.

Stewart has consistently demonstrated his agenda, on the air and as a lobbyist. His agenda doesn’t suck. His agenda is what this country has been looking for my entire lifetime.

Don’t cockblock my candidate.

I don’t think you understand my point: what part of your argument justifies ICE bringing harm to this woman? Do you support ICE actions? Do you support something these Nazis want to do?

I will allow you only those tools you give to the Nazis currently in charge. What are you going to let them use against us?

Do you truly believe that those calling for oppression

Whatever tool of oppression you are going to use is the exact same tool that will be used against you.

Paine’s message is “destroy those tools so nobody can use them”.

Popper’s message is “use these tools until you face no oppression”.

Popper was a fascist.

“Becoming her,” would be attacking her because of where she was born, or skin color, or religion, or sexuality. We should attack her intolerance.

Parent comment wasn’t attacking her intolerance. Parent comment was wishing her harm.

Furthermore: “Religion” should not be a protected class.

They deserve the ICE treatment.

As are you: You are wishing harm on her, not on her intolerance. This is the exact distinction I was trying to highlight.