Ok, I don’t think you read what I wrote.

Everytime you read “Starlink”, I want you to think about a flashing anti-collision beacon on a radio tower. Because that is what a Starlink transceivers looks like to every ELINT operator aboard, and on every nearby ship. Imagine a ship with a giant red blinky light on it, because that’s what an ELINT technician would be seeing.

She would have had to have recruited every ELINT technician and supervisor aboard every vessel they sailed with to make this happen.

Ok, so this is a bit different from taping your password to your monitor. Security has a problem with you doing that, but unless they come to your workstation, they have no way of knowing that you do this.

ELINT is kinda like a security camera, but instead of seeing lights, it sees transmitters. You know the frequencies of the communications transmitters on Navy ships, let’s say they are analogous to blue lights. You know the frequencies of their radars, let’s say they are green. During normal operation, you’re expecting to see blue and green “lights” from your ship, and the other ships in your task force.

Starlink does not operate on the same frequencies as comms and radar. The “light” it emits is bright red, kinda like the blinking lights you see on cell towers at night.

So, you’re sitting at the security desk, monitoring your camera feeds… And you just don’t notice a giant red blinky light, strong enough to be seen from space, on the ship next to you in formation?

You’re telling me that this warship never ran any EMCON drills, shutting off all of the “lights” it knows about, and looking to see if any shipboard transmitters remain unsecured?

You’re right, I would expect users to bend and break unmonitored security protocols from time to time. I expect them to write down their password. I expect them to share their password, communicating it over insecure networks that aren’t monitored by the security department. But operating a Starlink transmitter is basically equivalent to having the Goodyear blimp orbit your office building, projecting your password on its side for everyone to see.

The idea that ELINT operators missed seeing it for this long doesn’t seem likely.

The degree of incompetence needed for SIGINT/ELINT operations to fail to discover such a transceiver for 6+ months strains credibility.

I’m guessing this is a ruse to convince adversaries that the Navy can’t detect Starlink transceivers even when they are aboard their own ships. This is much more likely to be disinformation intended to drive adversaries to use Starlink than it is to be a legitimate failure of intelligence gathering.

Those are called “dormitories”, and they work very well on college campuses and in the military.

You need a whole host of communal facilities to make them work, including a cafeteria. Dorm life isn’t for everyone, but it is certainly feasible.

probably the most ridiculous rebuttal you could have come up with. People will bring the infrastructure with them?

Yes.

Where people need food and have money, someone builds a produce stand, a convenience store, a grocery store, a supermarket, whatever other infrastructure the consumer base will support in their quest to do business. They want the money the consumers have, so businesspeople build the places where consumers can spend their money.

But business only works when consumers actually have money. When they don’t have any money, nobody is interested in supplying them with goods and services, and nothing gets built.

Put the money in their pockets, and watch businesspeople trip over themselves to sell them shit.

Here’s some emphasis for you. “Give them money” is a part of the solution, but it can only go so far when they lack access to places to spend that money.

Places to spend it are pointless until they have money to spend. But if they have money to spend, people are going to come and try to get it, and they will be bringing the infrastructure with them. You don’t have to build it; it will build itself once the people have money to spend.

Dude told me to go out in the woods and buy electricity. That would be a relevant argument if people in the woods were poor. But the overwhelming majority of impoverished people live in urban environments, not the woods. Yeah, it’s hard to get grid power run out to East Bumfuck Nowhere, but nobody living in East Bumfuck Nowhere wants to be connected to the grid. They all moved out there to dig a bomb shelter and wait for the apocalypse.

There is no shortage of electricity or Internet access in poor urban areas. The reason poor people might not have electricity or Internet access isn’t because there is no Internet or electric infrastructure. The reason is because they can’t fucking afford it.

I agree, public investment in infrastructure is important, but it is entirely irrelevant to the issue of poverty. The only point I would make about UBI and infrastructure is that if a large group of people have need for a “something”, and they happen to have some money, someone is going to step in and try to exchange a “something” for their money.

The “public infrastructure” that most needs investment isn’t all the shit that the people want. The most vital piece of “public infrastructure” is the people themselves. Give them the money and get out of their way.

everyone that parks like a normal person hates it and you.

Is it really “everyone” who hates me, or is it “just you”?

Because I gotta tell ya, I’m OK with 'just you" hating me.

You still need a receive to access Starlink.

You need some sort of device to access any internet service. Internet is not telepathically delivered.

Starlink has portable transceivers designed for RVs, and the service is available to latitudes below (and slightly above) 53° north. The receivers are not significantly different than cellular-based home internet modems.

Based on your comments, I don’t think you actually understand what Starlink is.

It is truly amazing how a little “money” makes all of these poverty-related problems disappear.

Oh, I forgot: your argument that 42 million Americans don’t have access to broadband does not imply that 42 million Americans lack access to the internet, Amazon, or other online retailers. Broadband != Internet. Broadband is defined as 25mbps download and 3mbps upload. Amazon is perfectly usable on a tiny fraction of that.

Well, that’s a lie.

Starlink meets the definition of broadband, and is available to all of the US but the northernmost areas of Alaska. Since the population of that area is far less than 42 million, I’m calling bullshit.

Ok. Yet another problem that can be solved when the individual has a little money.

Despite this, I reject the premise of your argument: the predominant reason an impoverished person wouldn’t have access to Internet isn’t due to a lack of infrastructure. It is due to an inability to pay for it. The predominant reason an impoverished person wouldn’t have access to electricity isn’t due to a lack of infrastructure. It is due to a lack of ability to pay for it.

True, but largely irrelevant to the issue at hand: It turns out that “electricity” is yet another thing that a needy individual can acquire with “money”.

As far as I know, connecting to the internet requires some kind of device or another. I don’t know if any Internet access point that operates on telepathy.

One thing that all of those accessing devices have in common is that “money” is required to initially obtain them, and/or to maintain connectivity to the serving provider.

Delivered to this place awhile back:

Agreed. It is far safer to back into a parking spot than into traffic, especially if there is pedestrian, bicycle, or motorcycle traffic sharing the lanes.

The expiration date isn’t for the customer. It’s for the grocer. They should not be allowed to sell expired food.

They should be allowed and required to give away or offer for donation any food that is still edible after its expiration date.

By all means, eat all the expired food you want. I certainly do. Just don’t try to sell it to anyone and we’re golden.

Mmm… Compressed pig rectum…

Guillotines have a way of loosening one’s grip.

6530 Starlink satellites in low earth orbit tell me that if there is such a location, it is not within the contiguous 48 states. If they have the money, there is an option for the Internet access. Giving them the money remains the solution.

Where are we that Amazon won’t deliver?