Ok, but in that case, people are going to downvote on their opinion of what’s wrong. Almost nobody is going to objectively check whether they are right about something being wrong, specially if they are the type to be wrong often. Your bar is too unrealistic for the average user.

Funny thing, after years of criticizing Starfield for poor quality, people suddenly begun to white knight about whether DLSS 5 was properly respecting Heller’s intended rendition in Starfield. I’m sure they totally bothered to check the artist’s or their player’s opinion on it. To be honest, I’m sure they do care - some people only seem to find community in finding a shared hate.

Starfield patch coming up later this year. It’ll remove some loading screens but generally won’t change the game, yet to all the haters out there - sorry buds, gonna enjoy it!

Then the opinion is wrong, but it’s still an opinion. You could probably very easily guile a small child into having such an opinion simply because they do not know better.

Ironically enough, the opinion that statements cannot be opinions if they are factually wrong, is what actually is just wrong.

Tediore approves!

If you guys agree with both of these definitions, should you not ask or join a more apt community where it is in the rules instead of where the rules say otherwise? Seems easy to add on.

Look up Daryl Davis, to put one example.

All devs should be doing something like this. From what you are describing, you are basically dealing with cylon accounts waiting to get activated.

Yet you haven’t posted even once. Are you so sure your experience, worries, and interest as the same as a person considering to post? My take on the people who post the most on Lemmy is pretty close to what it is in Reddit.

Funny thing, there seems to have been a multimillion industry built on caring about upvotes on the platforms people tell me it doesn’t matter. I agree with you, but largely because of the temporal irrelevance of Lemmy at the moment. There are plenty of accounts who have months in between comments and yet upvote or downvote regularly, so I can only assume it matters to them. Thank you, I try not to fall into the rot of popularisms.

That’s a nice take, but it feels like someone is heading to a trap to be on the stage for mockery - “WHY ARE YOU BOOING ME? IM RIGHT” . People who want that should find a community specifically related to supporting their beliefs, and usually can.

I think that people who post in Unpopular Opinions do so to get the sense “Ok, here is my opinion, but we can all respect each other even though I have it”. Also applies to your examples. Would someone who posted “sandals are cute” not get downvoted if the circlejerk against it wasn’t big enough?

If my take on what it should be is right, it’s also a litmus test for how accepting the community is - imagine a post "Hitler was a great guy and did nothing wrong.“ except all the comments just basically say “That’s unpopular, it is right to be unpopular, and you may be getting caught in bubbles of propaganda that don’t allow you to see it because of reasons xyz”. You get to correctly identify a Hitler supported, you correctly identify just about the most unpopular opinion you can have, and you also have direct communication to tell off the guy. I suppose that also makes this community a litmus test on Lemmy and how the community is like.

If you believe it is, totally legit according to the pretext, you guys did your part.

Sounds like you are just twisting the definition of opinion to justify this behavior. Objectively, it is independent of actual objective fact, it is by it’s very nature the complete opposite, subjective. A child can have the opinion that Santa Claus exists a Christian can have the opinion that god exists, an investor can have an opinion of future events that cannot possibly be related to objective truth yet. Words can have multiple meanings, but even ignoring the ones that agree with me, I can’t find any that agree with yours except yours.

If that’s what you are doing, then I have more respect for the people who go “lol lets see what opinion they post now”, if only because one has more a shared reality to it.

Your argument only apply to downvotes - I’m curious, any opinion about the upvotes of unconventional but otherwise popular opinions?

Good point, maybe better design could help address it.

They may not matter, but I understand some platforms, like piefed, are trying to change this. If they don’t matter, shouldn’t the rules just say to look at downvotes to determine the really unpopular opinions?

• Vote the opposite of the norm.

If you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it’s something that’s widely accepted, give it an arrow 🩹

You are describing something else.

I’ll tuck that fact right beside the Haavara Agreement with the Nazis. Neocolonialism gonna neocolonize.

That’s true, but there’s several problems with that: the social bubble of the people who serve in those military usually have some distance from the societal norm, violence and chaos makes the country susceptible to be picked off by special interests, and it basically means that at the end of the day their leaders have to be willing to relinquish power.

You just proved you haven’t, but you are going to stick to your stereotypes regardless of what I tell you. You are going to reply to this comment, but don’t expect a reply back.

From my understanding, the pedophilia was used as a means, not the ends. They wanted to be influential, and trying to get socially awkward scientific leaders who probably didn’t have great relationships with the opposite sex was probably particularly effective.

They tried to create an exclusive “social elite” men’s club, using prostitution and pedophilia as their tools, and sure it’s an example of misogyny and power imbalance, but frankly, I still wouldn’t respect them if we flipped around the genders or evened them out. Science doesn’t have an Epstein problem, it has a misogyny and power imbalance problem.

Maybe it also has a pedophilia and prostitution problem, but the article doesn’t really explore that, it’s just guilt by association. Which, fair enough, it’s Epstein, but I doubt being as manipulative as they were that they tried to sell themselves the same to everybody.

I mean America has plenty of industries the rest of the world depends on. Unfortunately, a lot of the good takes involve ignoring a lot of the bad ones that helped obtain them.

Don’t be proud of your country, be proud of the societies you are willing to participate in and contribute towards. If you don’t find yourself living inside a good one, go and search it out.