This is a bad system for several reasons:

-It requires an arbitrary use-agnostic choice of value. Why 10 million? Why not 5? Why not 50?

-it requires an arbitrary time scale. Why 5 years? Why not 3? why not 10? Why not limit once in a lifetime?

We’re defining a system here with numbers out of thin air with no context around anything. These are fundamentally badly designed systems. No amount of fiddling with the parameters will make up for the fact that it’s fundamentally flawed.

Also, beyond that, you would be amazed how many scenarios exist for people and businesses to secure large loans that this would impact. The goal is to actually tax the super rich who are dodging taxes, not kneecap legitimate useage. You’d hurt hundreds of thousands legitimate borrowers and just shove Bezos and Musk into using alternative mechanisms to leverage their security holdings.

I know you think I don’t understand your proposal. I challenge you to consider that I do, and still think you can reconsider the root cause of the issue and come up with alternative ideas. You’re stuck on the loan aspect. That’s a symptom, not the cause.

They aren’t used interchangeably so this implies a different definition or at least distinct connotations.

The problem isn’t that i “don’t understand the gap”. The problem is that this isn’t what I’m asking.

How do you define for the purposes of this hypothetical law which loans would be taxed as income?

Telling me how rich Bezos is is completely tangential.

I’ve been trying to use the Socratic method to prime the pump that

-The root of the problem isn’t the loans themselves, it’s that they can “realize value” from shares (using them to secure a loan) without selling them.

But that doesn’t seem to have gotten anywhere because of how excited people are to hear any question to be somehow a doubting of how rich these guys are?

If that is the case, and you step back, can you consider an alternative strategy besides just some messy spaghetti definition of “income loans” vs other loans?

My mortgage was many times my yearly income.

So then you just have frequency, which is easily gamed by getting fewer larger loans. Maybe one every three to five years? At that point it really is just a mortgage with stock as collateral rather than a house.

Like, you’re not wrong in your intuition that the system is problematic. Mine (and others) point is that the devil is in the details, and they’re not trivial.

How do you establish that a loan is or isn’t “acting as income”?

How is how well known they are relevant? Would that make a leak more or less palletable? Are you familiar with the “five eyes”?

Not in love with the “big boy” from factor but when I believe they’re going to enter “long term support” territory I absolutely would be interested.

I get your point, but intelligence agreements break down if countries start letting their personnel leak information.

Canada has access to sensitive US intelligence. What do you think would happen if someone in CSIS leaked it?

Like, Israel bad, it was probably ethically correct to leak it, but I think your line of reasoning isn’t fantastic from an actual argument perspective. It was a tweet sized, easily consumable expression of disagreement, and I can appreciate that art for what it is.

I don’t really care what they look like. If any truck actually could meet the promises these made, I’d buy the shit out of them:

-All electric

-Sophisticated sensor suite to improve operational safety

-Working performance comparable to F150

-low maintenance

-Can be used as home power backup

-not a Deathtrap

-not a Killing machine

It hits the electric points, but that’s it. It’s a bad truck. It doesn’t fulfill any of the “smart” promises. Death trap killing machines in constant recall that can’t handle rain… Let alone do work.

The aesthetic doesn’t even make my list of complaints. It’s like the whole industry has been trying to make trucks as shitty as possible for like 30 years. Give me a '94 ranger electric conversion kit and it’s game fucking over cyber truck.

Modus Tollens

Creepiest thing about this is that the implication that the adult has been hung upside down

“No but see I withheld my vote for Kamala because I don’t feel she earned it”

Whisper is fantastic and has different sized models so you can zero in to what gives you the best mix of speed/accuracy for whatever hardware you’ll be running it on

I think a lot of Americans don’t understand that the USA hedgemony isn’t a divine right, it was a deliberate construction with tacit agreement of convenience from the western world.

Much like an economy, belief makes it so.

Much like the UK’s arrogance has driven them into geopolitical obscurity, so will the USA’s.

In 15 years, Americans are going to wake up and realize that their voices are irrelevant in the world. I don’t know how y’all are going to handle it.

Lol oh shoot, I’m terrible at this app

100 million people even getting involved twice every four years (once for the primaries and once for the election) they could literally put anyone they wanted with any policy into the white house.

Pretending voting fixes issues? My brother in Christ you guys couldn’t be bothered to vote! Trump lost ground in terms of absolute number of votes. Fewer people voted for him in 2024 than did in 2020.

Like jfc imagine saying voting doesn’t fix things 2 days after an election where you forgot to vote.

I am on your side, and you are being vicious.

Asking you to treat me with respect isn’t tone policing, it’s basic human decency, and I believe you understand that.

If you have an concrete alternative interpretation I’m all ears. Are numerically fewer votes for Trump in 2024 an indication of growing support, and if so, how do you figure that?

Again, we’re aligned, but you’re lashing out at me out of frustration and anger and I expect you to be better.

If you want to engage in an adult discussion we can do that. I’m empathetic to your pain right now, but take a deep breath before you respond consider carefully if you’re in a place to do so as your best self. Doesn’t have to be today if you’re not. Hit me up in a week. A month. A year. I’m here whenever you want a sober sounding board.

I’m not saying that she desereved the votes.

The comment I was responding to said the electorate swung right. I’m saying that’s not what the numbers say.

The numbers say that the Dems didn’t show up to the polls. It’s absolutely the fault of the democratic party leadership: if you can’t convince people to show up, your offering is insufficient.

So, I actually agree with you, and the point I was making was at a seperate point somebody else made.

I know you’re hurting today but get ahold of yourself. Read and think before you rage at strangers on the internet.

I don’t know if sentiment swung or if Dems just didn’t show up.

Biden had over 80 million votes in '20. Trump had like 74. Trump got less total votes this year than in '20. Only problem was like 15 million Dems didn’t show up.

If there is one thing you can count on from a Democrat “voter”, it’s for them to not actually vote.