Yeah, romans began to use soap at roughly year zero. I wonder why. I wonder why people use deodorant every day, when they just can spray water under their arms.

no and yes to that; there are tall people and small people, but that is usually not a medical condition.

everyone is built the same. and certainly nobody is built to have life detrimental skin conditions; yes, severe gene defects exist. But if you are swaetting a lot and you stink like a skunk, there is a very good reason for it. and the reason is:

something is hindering homöostasis to work properly- and that is usually a thing you ingested but don’t need, or a thing you did not ingest, but need. plus toxin exposure.

what do I mean by that?

Biochemistry works the same for everybody. it does not change to do something different, ever. Hormones are biochemistry.

the question is: are they sick and thus the skin is out of whack, or are they sick because the skin is out of whack?

now try doing that with hair. or your hands after vivisecting a corpse, and then delivering a baby. clean up feces and vomit, and then try to get rid of the smell without soap.

every farm worker that works with life stock knows what i am talking about. ever worked on an engine, then tried to clean your hands with water or oliveoil?

I guess the oil has merits, since certain oils DO have detergent properties.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abe7275

But if you’re looking to have your mind blown, take a shower and just scrub your skin with a brush, loofah or the palm of your hand and be amazed when you still get clean. If you’re really grimey, you can do what the Romans did and rub yourself with olive oil and scrape it off with a scraper before doing that.

I will try that, thanks.

You are right about one thing: if you are healthy, the skin will provide everything it needs to take care of itself. you ever wondered why kids don’t stink, have easy to wipe bottoms, and don’t need to wash their hair every day, and what have you? its because they are not yet broken like adults are. yes, it is also the hormones; but if you have an adult that really stinks up the place after taking a shover, chances are that their metabolism is out of whack; the skin is full of microorganisms, and they have a kind of balanced relation ship with the skin. if this gets thrown, certain microorganisms will overtake the others, and produce smells like crazy.

As such, we had ways of dealing with that well before we had soap and people didn’t just immediately switch.

That logic is hard to dismiss, that is sure interesting. you are absolutely right. I wonder what they did.

Early soaps were used for the preparation of textiles rather than personal hygiene.

I guess they used it to clean absolutely everything. because soap loosens up fatty bonds. thats why using disinfectant does not get rid of the dead bacteria; they are still on your hands, albeit dead. soap does not kill most of germs, but thy are unable to cling to the skin.

I was in poor regions of africa multiple times; the poorest of the poor would use soap when they could. people are poor, but not stupid. if what you said would work, they would do it, but they buy soap instead.

wikipedia:

Roman Empire

Pliny the Elder, whose writings chronicle life in the first century AD, describes soap as “an invention of the Gauls”.[22] The word sapo, Latin for soap, likely was borrowed from an early Germanic language and is cognate with Latin sebum, “tallow”. It first appears in Pliny the Elder’s account,[23] Historia Naturalis, which discusses the manufacture of soap from tallow and ashes. There he mentions its use in the treatment of scrofulous sores, as well as among the Gauls as a dye to redden hair which the men in Germania were more likely to use than women.[24][25] The Romans avoided washing with harsh soaps before encountering the milder soaps used by the Gauls around 58 BC.[26] Aretaeus of Cappadocia, writing in the 2nd century AD, observes among “Celts, which are men called Gauls, those alkaline substances that are made into balls […] called soap”.[27] The Romans’ preferred method of cleaning the body was to massage oil into the skin and then scrape away both the oil and any dirt with a strigil.[28] The standard design is a curved blade with a handle, all of which is made of metal.[29]

The 2nd-century AD physician Galen describes soap-making using lye and prescribes washing to carry away impurities from the body and clothes. The use of soap for personal cleanliness became increasingly common in this period. According to Galen, the best soaps were Germanic, and soaps from Gaul were second best. Zosimos of Panopolis, circa 300 AD, describes soap and soapmaking.

so thats why soap is one of the oldest chemical inventions : because you dont actually need it. pure luxury.

has to be old bud spencer and terrence hill movies, pretty popular in germany. I know there is a couple of them, but they are all pretty much the same anyway. ;-)

i totally agree with you. but the chance that he is also malnourished anyway is pretty great, given the circumstances. Kids are pretty harcore. he is worrying about his hair, not about the bombs.

curly grey hair is vitamin deficency. he will recover once he eats right.

Other factors could also contribute to the greying of hair, including nutrient deficiencies, or medical conditions.

yes.

oh, sorry, there was much talk about public health insurance, i Of course don’t have a clue how that works in canada. sorry, my fault. I only focused on public health care, here in germany thats an insurance, i was ignorant.

You should pay for their healthcare, because you have a contract with an insurance company.

no one bothers that it is THE PEOPLE that pay for their health insurance, not the state.

the state made insurance mandatory, thats the only thing it is guilty of.

come on guys, step over your ego.

it does not cost the state A DIME, because it is insurance that covers healthcare, not taxes.

The loss is unrealized potential of those who are sick. so, that means the state invested like 150.000 bucks in one citizen, in hopes to get like one million bucks out of them

(not out of them specifically, but out of their labour; it is a chain, you see, and the labourer pays taxes, the factory pays taxes when selling the product, the consumer pays taxes when buying the product, and so on)

alcohol and obesity by diabetis harm EVERY cell in your body, period. thats hard biochemstry, facts, it is the truth.

red meat, on the other hand, is quite unclear.

the studies involving red meat are interesting;

people self report by remembering long periods of time, a salami pizza counts as red meat, as does a whole mc donalds burger with fries on the side.

as for nitrate, this gets complicating. you seem to be on the right path. nitrates are a new topic for me, i never before read up on them:

https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/assets/images/5/nitrate-content-45165560.png

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190311-what-are-nitrates-in-food-side-effects

https://livestock.extension.wisc.edu/articles/whats-the-deal-with-nitrates-and-nitrates-used-in-meat-products/

https://theconversation.com/why-nitrates-and-nitrites-in-processed-meats-are-harmful-but-those-in-vegetables-arent-170974

this is so tedious, no wonder everybody has a different oppinion

No, i asked for the past. ancient times.

most men nowadays who talk about “men hunting” are fat slobs who couldn’t hunt a chicken with a limp ;)

thats sounds like anectdotal evidence ;-)

no, that does not answer my question. but thanks

the pain of a cramping liver is excrutiating. if you deal with that kind of unrelenting never stopping pain und don’t stop drinking, you are addicted for sure.

thats a trauma response

but this is what I complain about. but yeah, i went over the rails, you are right. you have a point.

in that other thread, i mean, where the crosspost is, they talked a lot about patriarchy and stuff.

and i wondered: if women in the past were hunting and thus using their skill like men do and yada yada, not gender roles like today and stuff, does that mean that there was no patriarchy back then?

Yeah, somehow the MPG count as well, they have a formula where a bigger car has higher MPG in the end, smaller cars are lower MPG by that formula.

women are excellent long distance slow pace powerhouses.