Well, congratulations and welcome to the club of people who have had their friends or family members touched by the violent action of officers of the United States of America, lots of new members added every day unfortunately. Go read something from Amnesty International while you still can and think about your life choices.

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Soon even citizenship won’t be enough to stop people who ICE doesn’t like the look of from getting deported, if it hasn’t happened already.

Does a ten year old citizen whose parents were undocumented getting thrown out of the US alongside her parents count? Because I saw a news story about that happening recently.

Well, based on recent experience with the budget bill anything that has any chance of succeeding is gonna be a no go with leadership anyway, so this might be the sort of thing they could get behind

I hate the idea of compromising at all on civil rights, but dropping the name “DEI” to let the segregationists feel like they got a win while just continuing to do all the same work under a different name is probably the best we can hope for from a for profit entity

FWIW, the vast majority of Democratic lawmakers didn’t, House and Senate combined only 10 did. That being said, nine of those were in the Senate, which they knew was the only place where their votes possibly could have mattered.

So, yeah, after this debacle any of them who don’t start demanding Schumer be removed from his leadership positions are at least going to look like they only voted against this for show once they knew it had the votes to pass. I’m pretty sure they only need a majority of Dems to replace their caucus leader, so if everyone who voted against this budget was actually serious about it they’d have more than enough votes to publicly rebuke this shit in a convincing way.

The following Democrats [and one independent] voted to advance the Republican continuing resolution, which was backed by President Donald Trump:

• Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer
• Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania
• Senator Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada
• Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii
• Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois
• Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
• Senator Gary Peters of Michigan
• Senator Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire
• Senator Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
• Senator Angus King of Maine, an independent who frequently caucuses with Democrats

https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-democrats-voted-trump-gop-spending-bill-2045209 (archived)

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I mean, that would almost certainly be a huge political win for Trump and Republicans if our experience under the last Republican president is anything to go off of

It’s been this way my entire life

Same. FWIW, I felt totally alone when I was complaining about this stuff decades ago, now even the most moderate people I know will say things about Republicans that I wouldn’t repeat on public forums.

Step 2 will never come.

Honestly, I don’t know if you’re right or not, but I do know that they will make it feel impossible right up until it actually happens, and I just don’t think there’s any better way forward than this (admittedly difficult) one

I agree, but we should all be very well aware that most voters are going to act irrationally and conduct ourselves accordingly. Any logical observer could see that the Dems candidate wasn’t as bad as the Repubs in 2016 and 2024, and look at all the good that did us.

Yeah, fair, but those are all step 2 problems. Like, Fetterman has been infuriatingly awful, but Dr. Oz would have been at least as bad.

Them winning makes it harder for the Chuck Schumer’s of the world to come up with excuses for caving to Republicans. Simply electing anyone with a (D) behind their name isn’t sufficient, but it is a necessary step one of unfucking the country.

The complete destruction of civil rights

We lost Roe under Biden’s watch

a stable state

The Memphis police department got COVID money from Congress that went into the pockets of the officers who beat Tyre Nichols to death on Biden’s watch

diplomatic relations

We torched whatever credibility we had left on human rights issues by arming Israel while they carried out a genocide when Biden was president

the integrity of elections

Republican led states passed tons of voter suppression laws while Biden was in the White House

the actual health if the nation

See my comment about the destruction of civil rights

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Failing to name these people and keep track of who carried out the dictator’s orders will make it more difficult to hold them legally accountable once the dictator is removed and we have rules again. It’s far from sufficient, but it is necessary.

The Democratic party has been incredibly ineffective and far too indulgent of free market ideological nonsense for a very long time, but I don’t see any realistic way of preventing Republicans from winning elections that doesn’t involve Democratic candidates in most circumstances

Also, for whatever it’s worth, I think at this point a majority of Democratic lawmakers have come out against what Schumer is asking for here. They need to follow through on their convictions and remove him from their leadership, but either way there is real disagreement within the Democratic party over this.

Besides that, moderate lawmakers like Hickenlooper and Ossoff have come out against Schumer on this, alongside people like Sanders Warren AOC etc. Acting like this is just " bad actors on Lemmy " is nonsense.

A shutdown would almost immediately be felt by many people, as services stop, federal buildings and parks close, and people stop getting paid. These are all things people don’t like, and they are also all things the Trump Admin are trying to do, despite being deeply unpopular

Yeah, so the average voter is going to blame the Trump administration for what they feel because it’s going to feel like a continuation of their previous well publicized efforts

The Trump Admin and the right-wing media would then have carte blanche to blame the Democrats

Democratic lawmakers are not incapable of responding to that bullshit and pointing out how the economy crashing and essential government services being interrupted has been going on for weeks prior to the Republicans failing to keep the government they have total control over open

A government shutdown right now would give their lies plausibility that currently does not exist

No it wouldn’t, that’s only going to work on people who were looking for a reason to vindicate Republicans anyway and who have never and will never support the Democratic party. The average voter who spends five minutes a week tops following the news is going to say “Government not doing stuff? That sounds like Republicans.”

A shutdown would just help them do it faster.

If this were true GOP lawmakers would be pushing for a shutdown themselves.

I think the most honest answer is nobody knows what would happen after a shutdown with this administration because they’ve just been making up federal law as they go this whole time anyway, but really the fact that Schumer and Fetterman want this bill to pass while Sanders Warren and AOC want it to fail should be all you need to know to know.