Well, I don’t want to re-hash the rat-fucking the Dems gave Bernie in '16 and '20, but yeah, vote Harris on '24, for lack of literally any other viable alternative to facism. This year, I’ve voted for the Democratic ticket for the first time in over a decade (My state is incredibly blue, but I wanted to show solidarity with some swing state friends who were reluctant to vote for Harris).
No, I get the strategy. It’s just bad. If abortion is your deciding issue, you’re going to vote for Harris. Suburban women may very well be the key to this election, I just don’t think that they were waiting for someone to give them permission to vote for Harris. I especially don’t think that any of them who might have gone for Trump would be swayed by anyone with the last name Cheney or Bush.
Also, the assumption had to have been that they could court these conservative women safely because progressive groups would turn out to defeat Trump. I think that’s a very dangerous gamble, especially without doing something to energize progressives. Breaking with Biden on Gaza, even just a little, would have done a lot, but they decided against that. I’m afraid that they’ve demoralized a large number of their core voting groups to court a small number of conservatives.
Exactly. The progressive base is somehow never big enough to win the Democrats the election, but if they complain at all about the party or the candidate, they immediately become large enough to cost the Democrats the election.
[sigh]…that being said, if you haven’t already, please go vote for Kamala today, especially if you live in a swing state.
Are you fucking kidding? This campaign has been a fucking train wreck. There was genuine excitement behind her candidacy when Biden stepped down, and Walz actually generated even more enthusiasm. Since then, she has spent every moment of the campaign killing that energy. She alienated Muslim and Arab voters by refusing to allow a Palestinian speaker at the DNC. She’s alienated her progressive base by campaigning with Liz Cheney and Laura Bush to court moderate Republicans. They’re literally rerunning the 2016 playbook and saying, “Yeah, but this time I’ve got a good feeling about it!”
I hope she wins, and if you’re reading this and you haven’t voted yet, please just vote for her, especially if you live in a swing state. But Jesus Fucking Christ, let’s not pretend she’d even have a shot of winning if she wasn’t up against a facist rapist.
Third-party voters as a whole don’t matter nearly as much as the handful of Muslims in Michigan that this message is directed towards. Also, this message is not significantly different than what she’s been saying since the DNC. Her big misstep wasn’t her messaging on Gaza; it was ignoring the Uncommitted leaders entirely.
Sooner or later, you will get trapped somewhere forever. Over the course of an infinite lifespan, the odds that a building collapses on you or a tunnel caves in on you basically become 100%. Someday, you will fall into the hole that you will stay in until the sun explodes, and then you will drift in the void until the heat death of the universe.
Who is this for? They’re acting like getting endorsements from the families of Bush and Cheney is like getting an endorsement from Ronald Regan, but Bush and Cheney were not popular at the end of their administration; they started two interminable wars and ended with the largest recession in recent history. Trump cut his teeth in 2016 by trashing George Bush and curb-stomping his brother in the primary. Conservatives who are still open to Trump probably aren’t huge fans of the Bush family! All this is doing is demoralizing the progressive base and showing conservatives that the kind of Republicans they rejected in 2016 support Harris.
Funniest thing is that if that dude had just said, “Cuba,” this would have been a non-issue. The joke structure would have been exactly the same, and it would have still been a dog whistle for racists, but Cuban Americans are largely anti-communist ex-pats. They probably wouldn’t have been thrilled to hear Cuba described as garbage, but if they got angry, it probably would have blown over by saying, “the joke was a reference to what communism has done to cuba.” Instead, he picked an island full of people that can easily move to the US mainland and vote. Absolutely spectacular.
The original commenter did give an example. They referenced the DNC not allowing a Palestinian to speak (which, again, is cited the article that we all presumably read before we started commenting). That example was met with, “citation needed.”
Anyway, I’m not familiar with the quote you gave, I feel no obligation to look it up, but I do feel entitled to your time and energy. Provide me with a hyperlink proving it’s real or it never happened.
Yup. We gotta vote for them this election, but replace them in the next. Otherwise, we’re just hitting snooze on fascism for another 4 years.
What about my original comment led you to believe I thought they were equivalent? As I said, Republicans are vile, hateful, and exploiting our political divisions for power. But the Democrats are just as responsible for the material conditions that have allowed facism to flourish, and demanding accountability and change for that isn’t nitpicking. If the Democrats don’t stop being corporate stooges, this doesn’t end if Trump is defeated; it ends when another fascist finally wins.
Where’s that quote from? Citation needed.
History didn’t start in 2016. The Democrats were happy to cozy up to the Silicone Valley tech giants, even as they developed into monopolies whose products gave users the very brain-poisoning that delivered Trump. They were happy to prioritize Wall Street bailouts over homeowners’ bailouts after the subprime mortgage crises, even if meant their constituents lost their homes. They’ve been happy to sideline or undermine anyone who dares run to their left, from Bernie Sanders to Rashida Tlaib.
The Democrats are not well-meaning, helpless progressives that just can’t get anything done because of America’s byzantine political structure. They have actively stopped any significant changes to the status quo in order to keep their donors happy. They’ve spent decades deluding themselves into thinking they could somehow improve conditions for the working class without demanding concessions from the billionaire class, even as the largest wealth transfer in history, from the lowest income Americans to the highest income Americans, was taking place. They may not be as vile or hateful as the Republicans, but they are just as responsible for America’s decay.
Oh, that’s easy; we don’t! Every four years, the fabric of our society frays and tears a little more, while our politicians either exploit our divisions or attempt to repair them without making any changes to the material conditions or systemic problems that create these fractures, because fixing these underlying issues would upset the handful of billionaires that actually control our government! But there’s a new Fast & Furious movie every two or three years, so it balances out.
And I think there’s a difference between asking people to back up a fact or statistic and asking people to read the news for you. If someone is going to do the latter, then they should at least start with a polite (or at least neutral) inquiry before jumping to skeptical demands for sources.
Yeah, once again, that wasn’t me. If you looked at the profile name, or read my first comment more carefully, you’d know that was a different commenter. I just get annoyed when people demand sources when they clearly haven’t even read the article their commenting on.
I get what you’re saying, but that’s just an assumption. You’re assuming that they’ll show up for Harris, just like Hillary assumed she didn’t need to campaign in the Rust Belt. You may be right, but I wouldn’t gamble the Presidency on it again.
You’re right, let me be a little more front-handed; Harris’ rejection of the Palestinian community has been in the news since this summer, and you and the other commenter are kinda showing your whole ass by going, “Harris excluding Muslims? LOL, source,” especially since your commenting on an article about her struggles with the Muslim community that directly references one of the examples I gave you. People should be able to back up their claims with sources, but they’re not obligated to explain the news to you.
Polling does not back that up; she’s two points behind Trump with Arab Americans and in serious danger of losing Michigan. There is a very real chance that the her position on Gaza will cost her this election.
The original piece Alberta wrote for the Atlantic is actually amazing. There are a lot, “Trump aides secretly say [blank],” articles that seem like hopium, but this is incredibly detailed and well sourced.