• Steve
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    7 days ago

    Yes. Agree completely.
    Manipulating someone isn’t always bad, or even something they wouldn’t want done to them.

    While being manipulative is a trick, it isn’t necessarily dishonest. Being dishonest with a manipulation is immoral. That’s when people don’t like being manipulated. What they really don’t like is being mislead or outright lied to.

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      6 days ago

      No, manipulation is inherently dishonest. That’s how you know it’s manipulation and not just honest discourse seen in the meme.

      First definition in the American heritage dictionary states this pretty plainly, “Shrewd or devious management, especially for one’s own advantage.”

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        6 days ago

        That definition doesn’t require anything dishonest.

        “Shrewd OR devious”

        Using you’re definition, how is what he did not “Shrewd management for his own advantage”?