cross-posted from: https://crazypeople.online/post/2634649

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/65824884

Hey everyone

We’re really sorry to say this, but lemm.ee will be shutting down on June 30, 2025.

What you need to know

As of now:

  • New user registrations are disabled
  • Creating new communities is disabled

What you should do:

  • You can export your settings at https://lemm.ee/settings to take them with you to another instance.
  • If you’re moving to another instance, consider adding a note to your lemm.ee profile with your new username. Your old profile will still be visible from other instances even after we go offline.
  • Alternatively, if you want to delete your lemm.ee profile, now is the best time to do it, so the deletion can federate out before we go offline.
  • If you’re one of the folks supporting us with a recurring donation, please remember to cancel it (Ko-Fi donations should have been cancelled automatically already). Our leftover funds are already enough to cover our bills for next month, so we can keep things running without any more support.

Because of how Lemmy is built, everything posted on lemm.ee will still be accessible from other instances, even after we go offline.

Why this is happening

The key reason is that we just don’t have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasn’t worked out.

The sad reality is that while there are a lot of great people on Lemmy, there are also some who use the platform to attack others, stir up conflict, or actively try to undermine the project. Admins are volunteers who deal with the latter group on a constant basis, this takes a mental toll. Please understand why our admins chose to step down, and be kind to the admins on whatever instance you decide to join.

We know this sucks. We’re genuinely sorry it’s ending like this. Thank you to everyone who spent time here and helped make it better.

– lemm.ee team

  • rglullisAEnglish
    3·
    4 days ago

    Anyway, threads are going to be organized in all the communities, we’ll see what people prefer.

    You really think you have no influence on that?

    Just as an example: you are still the most prolific poster on the football community at lemm.ee. If I told you that I could go right now and set up a new football instance for it (because you opposed the soccer.forum name, so I got jogabonito.news), would you even consider posting there or would you do what you’ve done before (created the community on lemm.ee and ignored what was already there?)

    • UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.devEnglish
      4·
      3 days ago

      I just want to chime in and say that blaze isn’t the most prolific poster on !Football@lemm.ee, by a long shot, and I could a name a few people that have been more consistently posting.

      He also didn’t make the decision to migrate to lemm.ee. The decision to migrate was a community vote, and the instance chosen was decided by me.

      • rglullisAEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        The first page now has 9 posts by him, 7 by Rose. Whenever I checked the page in the past, the distribution was similar.

        As for “making decisions”: I am not saying he took any fiat action; I am saying that whenever he revealed his preference or had a chance to exercise any influence in the outcome, he clearly pointed (a) away from LW and (b) away from topic-instance that I was offering.

        (Again, I am saying this not as believing I am entitled to anything, just as a matter of fact)

        • UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.devEnglish
          3·
          3 days ago

          Here’s a post count. Rose, Sabre and Amsterdam have been more consistent throughout the year. 62 out of 83 posts from blaze have been in the last ~20 days, I’m actually surprised that he is consistently posting on !Football@lemm.ee again.

          I am saying that whenever he revealed his preference or had a chance to exercise any influence in the outcome, he clearly pointed (a) away from LW and (b) away from topic-instance that I was offering.

          That’s accurate.

          As an admin of a topic based instance, I do believe topic based instances are more sustainable for an admin team to handle. It seems to be the news/political communities that attracts the worst behaviour in people. Having instances that avoid those communities would lessen the moderation load put on a team.

    • sabreW4K3@lazysoci.alEnglish
      31·
      3 days ago

      I think the fact that you think blaze is relevant in the football community only fuels apprehension towards trusting you to host the community. Please take a step back and be objective.

      • rglullisAEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        I am not judging “relevancy” and I am not even trying to convince him to participate. My “beef” with him is simple:

        1. he keeps finding every possible reason to be biased against me (or Communick/the instances I am running) because I openly say that the “donation-based” Fediverse is not sustainable.
        2. he gives the benefit of doubt to any other “free/open” instance which can seem like an underdog against LW
        3. the instances he keeps promoting/defending are invariably failing, supporting my thesis that the “donation-based” Fediverse is not sustainable
        4. When looking at the repeated cases of instances crumbling around, he doubles down on the idea of finding yet-another instance that is small and does not even contemplate the possibility that I might have a point.

        Believe me when I say it: I am not interested in using the topic-based instances for personal gain. I want them to be a neutral ground and I wish they could be collectively owned. My “evil plan” is to have an easy way to onboard people coming from Reddit, and my bet is that if the ecosystem grows large enough then I would benefit by offering professional hosting services for the users.

        • sabreW4K3@lazysoci.alEnglish
          2·
          3 days ago

          He feels that community lead instances have a better chance of sustainability. What’s wrong with that? You’re yet to convince him otherwise. You have a real chance of a proof of concept with soccer.forum and you’re too busy arguing rather than making a case as to why it’s a good destination to the community that matters. Make it make sense. 😮‍💨

          • rglullisAEnglish
            2·
            3 days ago

            He feels that community lead instances have a better chance of sustainability. What’s wrong with that?

            There is nothing “wrong” with it. There is nothing “wrong” with someone who believes the earth is flat.

            You have a real chance of a proof of concept with soccer.forum

            What else besides “keep the server running and post any content that you find relevant” do you think I should do? Last time I asked you, you said “nothing, just keep doing it until they come”.

            I’ve done it for a long time. Not for just one instance, but 5, 6, 8, 10… I was posting to !television@metacritics.zone and then I realized that there was one user on the lemm.ee alternative that was taking every single post from reddit and posting as their own. It’s too much, and it’s not even authentic. My alien.top bots were also mirroring reddit content, but at least I wasn’t pretending to be real people behind them.

            I’m tired of pushing it. For now, I’d rather just keep doing it for the things that I’m actually interested here. Right now it’s mostly NBA. With the Club World Cup I might post more on the football instance. On the summer break I might take some time to write a proper match-threader, but quite honestly I am more excited about the idea of working on my local-first ActivityPub client or on a custom version of Voyager that can browse both Lemmy and Reddit than anything new for the topic-specific instances.

            Communick has fortunately got to break-even point, but it is solely thanks to people interested in Matrix. There are a handful of people interested in Lemmy, so I’m going to keep maintaining it. But whatever hopes I had to make this a viable alternative to Reddit have been shattered a while ago.

            • sabreW4K3@lazysoci.alEnglish
              2·
              3 days ago

              What else besides “keep the server running and post any content that you find relevant” do you think I should do? Last time I asked you, you said “nothing, just keep doing it until they come”.

              At this point in time, do a, “I’m the admin of soccer.forum and I would like to offer this community a new home” type post.

                • sabreW4K3@lazysoci.alEnglish
                  2·
                  3 days ago

                  A blog post isn’t what I’m talking about. Seriously put your ego to the side and come correct. You feeling hurt and in your feelings isn’t helping. I’m literally the only one pushing for the move to your instance in a productive manner and your arrogance is trying to fuck that up.

      • rglullisAEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        Wouldn’t the first point imply the second, while you disapprove it?

        I am not saying I disapprove it. I am saying your behavior is not dependent on “what other people think” and that you are (once again) hiding your real opinions and plans and using “others” as an excuse for your actions.

        So, to put it more plainly: I am confident that you will look for any possible justification to move the lemm.ee communities to piefed or the other lemmy instances, despite this yet-another data point that shows that donation-based instances are not sustainable enough and reliable enough in the long term.

        • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          3 days ago

          another data point that shows that donation-based instances are not sustainable enough and reliable enough in the long term.

          Then that includes LW, and we should just all leave this platform as it will inevitably die.

          • rglullisAEnglish
            1·
            3 days ago

            Your statement only makes logical sense if you stipulate that the only donation-based instances are part of “the platform”.

            • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              3 days ago
              • LW is still by far the largest instance
              • It’s donation based

              According to your logic, it’s going to crumble under its own weight, so we should as well just leave this platform altogether

              • rglullisAEnglish
                1·
                3 days ago

                Even if all of the donation-based instances crumble (including LW), the platform would still have the non-donation based instances.

                Then it would be up to the users to ask themselves “If there are no more open instances, will I still support the Fediverse even if it means I will have to pay a few bucks a month for a professional provider? Am I really against Surveillance Capitalism or I’d rather compromise my privacy and freedom in exchange of a free social media network?”