May I interest you in !minecraft@level-up.zone instead? I can make you a mod if you want.

There are a lot of architecture astronauts that will keep talking about “we should develop a grand-unifying system”, but most of them are all talk and little result.

When push comes to shove, the developers that actually ship are the ones that look at problem they want to solve and work on that.

Yes, it is possible.

Whether enough people want it is a different story, and most developers are stuck in the app store mentality, so it gets difficult to get enough support for this to move faster.

Wouldn’t you agree that hardcoding one specific community to provide a feature to “try it and see it causes any problems” is yolo’ing?

I’ll code something to spread communities to other instances using an API but that seems like a lot more work.

In my view, the “proper” solution to this (and that would fit right into ActivityPub) would be simply to let the actor that represents the server to post “as:Create” for any new communities that are created and then let the other software follow these if they are interested.

It certainly would be a lot more work and it would still require others to write code on their end to look for this information, but seems like the only implementation that would seem like just another ad-hoc hack.

You think that if I paid you to remove features, you’d do it?

On the other hand, I’m see newcommunities being flooded with posts from piefed.social and thinking the following:

• If this becomes an automatic thing, I’d be less inclined to subscribe to the community.
• How is concentration around piefed.social any different from concentration around LW?

It’s funny to see these contrasting approaches between PieFed and Lemmy development.

Rimu just treats this is a hobby and goes ahead yolo’ing a bunch of these features that abuse the underlying protocol and could bring serious systemic risks if other admins start deploying it, but because the current userbase is small then there is little scrutiny and they all think it’s good to go.

The Lemmy devs are trying for years to get enough support to make a living of their work and therefore a lot more “professional” about what they do, so they would never introduce a feature that could cause Lemmy to be a “bad participant” in the network. But by not taking a more “customer-focused” approach to product development, it takes a long time to bring any functionality that makes it attractive.

PieFed is definitely taking a “Worse is Better” approach and I don’t know what to make of it. It seems to be poised to make it most popular software among the current fediverse users, but at the same time it makes so idiosyncratic decisions that it makes it hard to believe it will be usable if more people started joining in.

https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/4-developers/topic/Lemmyverse.20Community.20Discovery/near/4966

Wait, so the posts that are showing up on !newcommunities@lemmy.world are not really initiated by the user, but just the piefed server creating a post and impersonating the user that created the community?

@rimu@piefed.social, if I’m understanding this correctly, it’s the second feature (the first one being the import of communities) where you have the server initiating actions but misrepresenting the true actor.

Great, that’s exactly what we need in alternative social media: more reasons for people to be angry at the world and those who do not 100% subscribe to our own limited point of view.

There is !bundesliga@soccer.forum, which has been neglected but I could certainly help if I see anyone taking initiative with the posting.

Just reposted it on !newcommunities@lemmy.world because why not

Does this mean you won’t mind me posting the communities from the topic-specific instances, even if they are not exactly new?

Maybe we should introduce a gated API and charge $12 for 50k requests…

Not sure if there’s a legit use for just fetching only comments outside of a post

The ability to see all comments is right there at the Lemmy UI.

you never said it.

The whole conversation started with me talking about Communick offering a subscription service. Communick is my business. I thought that was clear. My bad if it wasn’t.

“Hey, I run a business, something like this would probably cost X per year and I think I would have Y users. Which would mean I’d minimally have to charge Z to make this viable”

That’s not a good approach, because Y changes depending on the price point and X changes on what these Y customers would expect from the service.

The only variable that can be fixed here is “how much you are willing to pay”, so this is why I am asking it.

In case you didn’t notice, I have a hosting business. This is why I’m “obsessed” in figuring out how much someone would pay for it, if they were serious about what they are asking.

By asking you “how much would you pay?”, I’m trying to gauge how serious you are about it. Your refusal to go ahead and name any amount for something that you said “I’d pay for that” shows me that you are not serious about it and therefore a bad idea.

I want a kebab shop down the street. You gonna demand I tell you how much I’d pay for a kebab

No, I will look at kebab shops in your area and see how much they are charging, and I will check if their operation is actually profitable (instead of being a front for someone who needs to launder money) and I will see if they have enough customers paying the asking price. If the math checks out and if I see an opportunity for the market, then I’d go invest time and resources to open a shop there.

There is no such thing for “hosting providers that have been audited and can certify that the data is secured and properly managed”. And given you are the first person saying “I’d pay for that”, why do you think is somehow offensive to be asked “How much?”

Someone sees a potential opportunity (…) does the research,

Yeah, part of the research is exactly going to potential customers and asking how much are you willing to pay for this?.

Seriously, I do not get what is so weird about asking it.

I’m not going to go out there and do extensive business research

I didn’t ask you to do any research. You said “I’d legitimately would pay for it.” and I asked one simple question: how much?

The economic viability I leave to anyone that wants to take it on.

This attitude right here is why the Fediverse is bound to stay small and amateurish. Everyone is just focused on keeping their own little pipe dreams and wishing that someone else to take on the sacrifice to do these gigantic efforts without expecting any reward.

You didn’t respond the second part: how much are you willing to pay for this? Anything less than $100k/year and I will guarantee you there is no serious provider who will care about being certified for it, and any who is willing to pay that much money surely will be better off by running their instance on their own.

I would love to see hosts start offering subscription based instances

Communick offers access to Mastodon, Lemmy, Funkwhale and Matrix for $29/year

I’d legitimately pay for that.

How much? “Regular auditing of the infrastructure” seems like a very enterprise-y thing to expect from a basic SaaS.

so I could have a frontend that scraped every comment and then every like of every comment in a community

Or you could do the same thing that https://lemvotes.org/ does and follow the communities and actors to build this database on a separate server, which then can be used by the client(s).