Lemmy account age and Github experience are absolute orthogonal data points, how is that even something to be brought as an argument?

If you want to suggest features or improvements, please take a look at the Github repository.

Once upon a time, a “meaningful wage” was something that would allow you to raise a family of 4 while living a comfortable middle class standard of living.

57k€ gross salary in Berlin amounts to ~3360€ per month net income. Rent alone will eat 30-40% of that.

You can survive on that salary, which is more than most people are managing to do nowadays. But to think that someone with such specialized competency should expected to go on with a “not bad” salary shows a pretty sad state of affairs.

57k€ for someone with Rust experience?!

Maybe that “Rewriting things in Rust is just to get rid of old people that can command high salaries” LinkedIn Lunatic was right after all…

Listen to Bernie:

You were faster than my edit.

What we can do is try go get popular communities to other instances.

I am particularly more interested in getting people aware of Fediverser because of the long tail of niche interests than the “popular” communities, and I am not that interested in arguing over whether a community should be in the largest instance or second or the 8th.

I call your solopreneur community and raise a whole instance.

Seriously, though: can we please stop creating communities on LW? Take a look at Fediverser Network before creating a new community because there is a good chance that the community you are looking for already exists, and even if it seems inactive it’s easier to revive an existing one that bootstrapping from scratch.

The solution is to go to subscribe to Reddit RSS feeds so that we find stuff to repost here.

(Only half-joking)

Setting up parallel sending also would require more resources on their part.

It is your problem to fix, yet you are only willing to take action if the solution comes in the form that is most convenient to you. I genuinely don’t understand why, but I guess it’s between you and the users on your instance.

You won’t be making any changes to Lemmy source code itself, that’s what I mean. I wouldn’t count adding something that is independent from the service as “customizing it”, but if that is what you meant, fine.

That setup required an additional server for AZ

What I had in mind would be to run the relay myself, and you would only have to set up/manage an extra service that could run along your Lemmy process.

You seem to think (…) we’re willfully not taking an action that we should be taking.

Well, yes? You have the possibility to take the initiative and mitigate an issue that is affecting your users, and you can solve the problem independently of the third-party’s cooperation. Why put yourself at the mercy of others when you have enough power and agency?

Looks like everything worked fine except for pulling posts via the search API.

If you want to direct the efforts to move there I’d join you.

I’m not interested in customising the AZ server configuration more than it already is

There would be no customization of Lemmy itself. You’d only have to add a sidecar service.

If you don’t want to do it, fine, no one can force you to. But then perhaps it would be nice to be transparent with your users and tell them that the delay in federation can be avoided.

This is the output from https://browser.pub/https://communick.news/post/2832222:

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  "@context": [
    "https://join-lemmy.org/context.json",
    "https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams"
  ],
  "type": "Page",
  "id": "https://communick.news/post/2832222",
  "attributedTo": "https://communick.news/u/rglullis",
  "to": [
    "https://forum.wedistribute.org/category/5",
    "https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public"
  ],
  "name": "Is NodeBB's interoperability with Lemmy only for push-based messages?",
  "cc": [],
  "content": "<p>Hello from Lemmy!</p>\n<p>This message is both a test and a real question: I managed to subscribe to the NodeBB group, but I was <em>not</em> able to pull any conversation from there.</p>\n<p>Maybe it’s because Lemmy expects posts to be <code>Page</code> objects and NodeBB seem to be representing its topics as <code>OrderedCollections</code>?</p>\n<p>I will post this and then send a followup comment with the output from browser.pub</p>\n",
  "mediaType": "text/html",
  "source": {
    "content": "Hello from Lemmy!\n\nThis message is both a test and a real question: I managed to subscribe to the NodeBB group, but I was *not* able to pull any conversation from there.\n\nMaybe it's because Lemmy expects posts to be `Page` objects and NodeBB seem to be representing its topics as `OrderedCollections`?\n\nI will post this and then send a followup comment with the output from browser.pub",
    "mediaType": "text/markdown"
  },
  "attachment": [],
  "sensitive": false,
  "published": "2025-03-29T14:02:30.621508Z",
  "language": {
    "identifier": "en",
    "name": "English"
  },
  "audience": "https://forum.wedistribute.org/category/5",
  "tag": [
    {
      "href": "https://communick.news/post/2832222",
      "name": "#fediverse",
      "type": "Hashtag"
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  ]
}

I responded to you before I had my coffee, so I didn’t realize that you are one of the admins for aussie.zone.

I will tell you what: I am 100% sure that I can write a service that can work as a bulk message relay and I’m equally sure that I can modify Fediverser’s code to make it able to ingest data from the relay. If you want to join Lemmy’s Matrix Room, we can chat to see how to best solve this.

the Lemmy devs are funded by NLNet donations and user donations, no business LW, lemm.ee, lemmy.zip, all of the top 20 or 50 instances are funded via donations

You are looking at this super-tiny space of “the Threadiverse” and taking it as the whole “social media landscape”. This is textbook example of selection bias.

How much do you want to bet that we will see a Reddit-like alternative built on ATProto by the end of the year? Which one do you think will have a better chance of success: the application that is starting of a potential userbase 1M MAU or the one with 25M+? How was Bluesky funded? Was it via donations?

Network effect can’t be fought by money

No, but money can buy infrastructure and development which is sorely needed. We are not limited because people don’t want to leave the walled gardens. They are eager to leave, but we keep failing to offer them an usable alternative.

The reason that Fediverse doesn’t grow is not because of any single particular feature of the other alternatives. It’s quite easy to say “Bluesky won over Mastodon because it has better content discovery” or “Matrix is not a good alternative to Discord because it is slow and has a moderation problem”, but all of these tiny things are not fundamental issues. They can all be fixed, but they just don’t get fixed fast enough because these organizations are lacking in resources compared to the VC funded alternatives.

Funding is like oxygen. Organisms that do not have circulatory systems can only grow to the size of insects. If we keep constraining ourselves to only these very limited sources of funding, we will be forever bound to this tiny insignificant niche space.

There is absolutely nothing in the AP spec that prevents people from pulling data from the outboxes instead of waiting to be pushed.

There are no plans beyond that.

Oh, that’s just lacking imagination. Here are some ideas:

• Pay it forward systems, so that an instance can grow at a healthy rate and new accounts are only created after enough donations have been collected.
• Marketplace where instance admins work as escrow managers. Take 1-2% of the transaction fee and use it to fund development. (Facebook Marketplace is the feature that keeps young people on FB)
• Private groups. Automatically add/remove users to a group conditional on their payment status.

When we do that it means the free tier needs to be enshittified enough that there is an incentive to upgrade

Does it even make sense to talk about “enshittification” when the basis is an open source system?

Are those stripe_customer_id and stripe_subscription_id in the E-R diagram an indication that there are plans to make any sort of freemium system?

Alright, so I just learned about !fediverse@forum.wedistribute.org. It’s a NodeBB instance run by the WeDistribute team, led by @deadsuperhero@lemmy.world and it can interoperate with Lemmy and Mastodon and the mbin family of software.

Can we agree that it is a better fit than any of the existing alternatives?

If you prefer to avoid the conversation on the basis of “unpleasantness” instead of facing the arguments that are being presented to you, it’s your choice.

But at least show some decency and willingness to admit you were wrong and consider that maybe the best way to get a sustainable, healthy and universal Fediverse (i.e, not just a niche thing that barely reaches 1M MAU) is by having small businesses around?