I am just stating facts. There is no personal emotion involved. Fact is, this move was not surprising. And I am expecting to see actual climate theorists soon. Yes. Because we reached a dead end.
But if we can’t even state facts here without triggering many of us, we have an issue.
Anyhow, that said, there are rules for protesting. And, once again, braking into an airport violates multiple laws, with punishment up to 10 fucking years in prison.
Was it that dangerous for passengers as some of the media says? I don’t think so.
Did it change somebody’s state of mind? No. Did it shed a bad light on the movement? Fucking yes.
Terrorism works because of fear. This does not spark fear. This results in anger of the wider population.
My opinion:
If we want to make sure the next generations have a livable planet we must change the mindset of the general population. And we can not do this this way.
Apply that rationalist view on politics to any other significant historical progress against exploitation and you will understand how “abide to the rules of protest” is not as rational as you think.
Some examples
8hours working day
Voting rights
Voting rights for women
End of racial laws
Your right to organize, demonstrate at all
Rulebreaking of social movements fighting against the immense irrationalities of oppression (like “lets burn the planet cause the mystical market monster demands it”) is what gave you your rights…
Ah yes, the famous airport blockades od those events. Oh, wait …
Yeah absolutely comparable!!!
No! Those activits crossed a line where they were willing to risk life’s. And this is the point where I refuse to keep my personal feelings out of this discussion.
If you block an airport, you are willing to risk other people’s life. And your mindset shows that we are very close to terrorism.
And, most of all, this pisses me of because nearly every idiot involved in this has a China made phone in his pocket that would not exist without air traffic.
You want environmental terrorism? Fine! But be consequentl. Don’t buy electronics, don’t buy or use stuff that needs rare earth’s, oil, or other polluting stuff.
Running over an air field to protest against climate change while recording ourself with your iPhone! Nice!
But! Still I don’t have the opinion that the last generation itself is a criminal organization. Still, some members do everything they can to prove the police and critics correct
8 hour day protestors got into firefights with the police on dozens of occasions. They killed police, foremen, Pinkerton stooges, and more. The civil rights law was won on the back of hundreds of riots all across the US. The history they teach in schools is explicitly designed to hide the true history of class struggle.
So here’s the thing, like you said, we already have laws to prevent the actions of these “protestors”. So they could easily address their actions by enforcing those laws. But instead they’re making protesting itself, or at least the creation of protest groups, an illegal activity. This isn’t a response to those events. This is them reaching into their grab bag of wishes and using the event as an excuse to snatch more liberties, and extend their power, as they’ve always wished to do.
No they don’t. Currently, they are investigating and we don’t know all facts. If tue only facts are the one we know, and a court still decides in the favor of the prosecution, than we have a serious issue. But we are not at this point (yet)
I am just stating facts. There is no personal emotion involved. Fact is, this move was not surprising. And I am expecting to see actual climate theorists soon. Yes. Because we reached a dead end.
But if we can’t even state facts here without triggering many of us, we have an issue.
Anyhow, that said, there are rules for protesting. And, once again, braking into an airport violates multiple laws, with punishment up to 10 fucking years in prison.
Was it that dangerous for passengers as some of the media says? I don’t think so.
Did it change somebody’s state of mind? No. Did it shed a bad light on the movement? Fucking yes.
Terrorism works because of fear. This does not spark fear. This results in anger of the wider population.
My opinion: If we want to make sure the next generations have a livable planet we must change the mindset of the general population. And we can not do this this way.
Apply that rationalist view on politics to any other significant historical progress against exploitation and you will understand how “abide to the rules of protest” is not as rational as you think. Some examples 8hours working day Voting rights Voting rights for women End of racial laws Your right to organize, demonstrate at all
Rulebreaking of social movements fighting against the immense irrationalities of oppression (like “lets burn the planet cause the mystical market monster demands it”) is what gave you your rights…
Ah yes, the famous airport blockades od those events. Oh, wait …
Yeah absolutely comparable!!!
No! Those activits crossed a line where they were willing to risk life’s. And this is the point where I refuse to keep my personal feelings out of this discussion.
If you block an airport, you are willing to risk other people’s life. And your mindset shows that we are very close to terrorism.
And, most of all, this pisses me of because nearly every idiot involved in this has a China made phone in his pocket that would not exist without air traffic.
You want environmental terrorism? Fine! But be consequentl. Don’t buy electronics, don’t buy or use stuff that needs rare earth’s, oil, or other polluting stuff.
Running over an air field to protest against climate change while recording ourself with your iPhone! Nice!
But! Still I don’t have the opinion that the last generation itself is a criminal organization. Still, some members do everything they can to prove the police and critics correct
8 hour day protestors got into firefights with the police on dozens of occasions. They killed police, foremen, Pinkerton stooges, and more. The civil rights law was won on the back of hundreds of riots all across the US. The history they teach in schools is explicitly designed to hide the true history of class struggle.
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So here’s the thing, like you said, we already have laws to prevent the actions of these “protestors”. So they could easily address their actions by enforcing those laws. But instead they’re making protesting itself, or at least the creation of protest groups, an illegal activity. This isn’t a response to those events. This is them reaching into their grab bag of wishes and using the event as an excuse to snatch more liberties, and extend their power, as they’ve always wished to do.
No they don’t. Currently, they are investigating and we don’t know all facts. If tue only facts are the one we know, and a court still decides in the favor of the prosecution, than we have a serious issue. But we are not at this point (yet)