How to free users from Big Tech’s walled gardens

The two benefits of competition are that it breaks the [megacorp] cash reserves that are used to enact public policy and it introduces the collective action problem that makes the remaining reserves harder to spend.

How does that virtuous cycle then extend from tech into other sectors?

Doctorow: Think about what happened with the breakup of Standard Oil in the first part of the 20th century. Standard Oil was not the only trust. There were trusts for everything: whiskey, railroads, iron, aluminum, cars. Standard Oil’s dominance made people so hopeless about whether or not they could have an accountable government that the toppling of Standard Oil opened up a floodgate of political will that saw all of those other trusts shattered.

I want to go after tech because it has this characteristic interoperability that makes it a soft target. We start with tech, and that gives us the momentum, the credibility, and the political will to go after everybody else.

  • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
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    A small wrinkle, industries seem to have little issue with acting collectively to spend cash on enacting policies that benefit those industries. For example, the oil industry has successfully blocked climate change action for decades even after they knew an action was needed. Perhaps they’re not as powerful as Standard Oil but they surely are powerful enough to profit maximize at the expense of so much else.

    Put differently, if the breakup of monopolistic industries in the first half of last century produced a virtuous cycle, which supposes some durability, why do we find ourselves with virtually the same problem today?

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      I think the best analogy is to cybersecurity. What’s the point of patching devices when they’re inevitably going to be hacked again in the future? Because they’ll also be patched again afterwards. Security is a dynamic equilibrium, not a static one. Similarly, no fix to corrupt corporate power is permanent. We need constant vigilance.

      Also, it’s been a hundred years, and tech is a new sector that didn’t exist 100 years ago. Breaking up Standard Oil isn’t going to help with Apple and Google.

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      Isn’t that essentially the same wrinkle that was mentioned in the article with the Napster reference and the movie and music industries banding together?

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        Yeah, and I don’t buy the argument. It only works if the players haven’t figured out they have conmon goals and that they have to pool resources to achieve them. That’s not a hard thing to figure out. The tendency to cartelization demonstrates this. But cartelization only demonstrates that people can figure out they need to pool resources. They don’t need a cartel to pool money and funnel them into politicians pockets. All they need is industry lobbying associations and think tanks. Wouldn’t you know it, we have both and they’re working splendidly to further the regulatory interests of the corporations funding them. That competing parties won’t be able to do this seems like wishful thinking to me. That tech couldn’t do it during the Napster days I think is rather circumstantial and evidence for the people running those companies not having their shit together. Which makes sense given their age at the time.

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    People are choosing to sit in apple’s garden though. They like the seamlessness of their products even if they are being gouged paying for them. Apple enforces their walls with things like, for instance, not letting android phones communicate using their messaging app so kids using android phones are the odd man out in their groups and are pressured to switch to iphones.

    Standards are great as long as development isn’t blocked at the same time. Backwards compatibility becomes an anchor that drags behind you after a while. Industries will generally agree on a standard (like shipping containers) when they realize that a lack of one is holding their industry back as a whole and they know that everyone will use it (no cheating!).