• dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Ownership. You will not own your apartment, it will be owned by your landlord and you will pay him whatever he demands. You will not own the forest, either. The state will, or some private entity will. No trespassing.

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      1 year ago

      You can still own and buy appartements in most places in the world. Then there are many forms of social housing.

      Rent to own is also a possibility but not seen in most countries.

      Seems your problem is not ownership but landlords.

      Some countries in Europe have the right to roam on any land. State owned and private owned. (Maybe more countries somewhere else have it to but I don’t know)

      It does not need to be so terrible. In some places it just is because of profits

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        1 year ago

        Owning an apartment and owning land are wildly different. The housing structure alone is not the entirety of home ownership.

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          Since we’re just talking hypotheticals anyway, let’s say in the second image the land is actually owned by the owners of the apartments, like a co-op.

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            That’s still not ownership. That’s co-ownership. I’m not free to do what I want with it, when I want.

            Same reason I hate HOAs

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              1 year ago

              The vast majority of places where you own a house, you still can’t do whatever you want.

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                1 year ago

                Whatever reasonable thing you want will tend to fly though. Versus HOA which often dictate crazy restrictions.

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        1 year ago

        There is no such thing as universal right to roam in the US. Likewise, apartment ownership (we call them “condos” when you can own one rather than rent) exists here, but by far is the minority option in multi-family housing. You can claim you want to buy a condo or apartment as much as you want, but that doesn’t do you any good when no one is selling. Units are built to be rented which is a recurring revenue stream, which big capital likes a lot more.

        The significant problem is not that nobody is whacking out slabs of apartment housing fast enough. The issue is that our underlying capitalist system is fucked, and a simple anti-car attitude is not going to fix that.

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      Yeah that’s my main concern. Also less space to store things like my bike.

      Then there’s the upstairs neighbors. Like I get that the kids are loud. But also could the kids stop throwing stuff at my bird feeder. And their upstairs neighbors flooded the dang place