The fact that people were registering .ml domains for projects like this is mindboggling. There are many TLDs to pick from without infringing on the terms of use of a country-specific one.
Dang I hope lemm.ee is safe. Hopefully Estonia doesn’t decide the same.
Well, I’m an Estonian citizen at least 😅
I didn’t even consider .ee to be a country domain. I thought you used it for the catchy name.
That’s pretty cool.
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For anyone that wants to learn more about internet domains, the MKBHD Waveform podcast has an awesome episode about this topic. It’s a super interesting listen where they talk about how the internet works and one of the organizations behind it (ICANN).
ICANN and the 7 Keys to the Internet
Well, and it’s not like this should take anyone by surprise, it’s been 10 years coming. Unless Mali was telling people not to worry and then did an about face? I haven’t seen anything to indicate that.
The fact that people were registering .ml domains for projects like this is mindboggling. There are many TLDs to pick from without infringing on the terms of use of a country-specific one.
Quoted for emphasis.
They needed the one that stood for “marxist-leninist” is why, in case you were unaware.
I’m just pretty staunch about not paying for a domain name, they add no value whatsoever
Heh, what a tool. Nothing’s stopping him from just using ip addresses, or the reverse that whoever provides the server ip almost guaranteed have set up. But no, he wants a fancy looking one, so it HAS some value or he wouldn’t need one, and a domain require name servers, and people administrating and maintaining it. He just don’t want to pay for that part. And come on, a domain is like 15 dollars a year?
Bear in mind this was two years ago. Lemmy was small back then. I can understand someone not being able to justify the price of a domain name at that scale.
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Turns out it was free for a reason. 😅
Well 2y ago that’s what the marxist-leninists here claimed anyway.
Btw, that link either leads to the wrong post or jerboa is broken lol, however from the “nope” I can infer that it is meant as a refutation so fuck it.
Here’s a quote from dessalines on said post that explains it:
Its just a free domain, like .tk or .gq. I’m just pretty staunch about not paying for a domain name, they add no value whatsoever, and buying them feels like acquiescing to the digital enclosure of the commons.
So then in a sense it is marxist in nature, as this answer hints to marxist values with “buying them feels like acquiescing to the digital enclosure of the commons.”
However when this place was all marxist-leninists 2y ago, they made it very clear that it was a ML instance, by ML, for ML, and they claimed that .ml stood for marxist-leninist. As to when they decided that was no longer the case I have no clue, but that was the claim until redditors came and drowned them out a bit.
The comment was made 2 years ago - but as to whether it’s attempting to masquerade the real reasoning behind it, I can’t really say since I’m not the devs. I just thought it was worth copying over the comment contents since you mentioned you couldn’t see it, I figured there might be others who couldn’t as well!
I do appreciate it, the link for some reason leads to a completely unrelated post, but it looks like others can see it, so I think it’s a Jerboa issue.
True, we aren’t the devs so we can’t know their true intentions or thoughts, but I have my suspicions. If I trusted everyone all the time I’d be helping OJ look for Nicole’s killer rn.
(This is what the link loads for me btw)
My thoughts exactly. You should not be choosing TLDs that are volatile to upsets like this. Stick with the tried and true .com or .net, or one of the new TLDs that are not bound to a nation (unless you can comply with the stipulations) or particular type of organization.
but ML also can stand for Marxist Leninist and im sure has been the the way it was read by most early adopters
No, stop spreading this nonsense, it was never chosen because of that. It was used because it was free and the developers don’t care about creating funny names with the DNS or for glorified expensive DNS.
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Hey, that is me from the past.
Or machine learning. There’s at least one ML based project that got a headache out of this yesterday.
I feel like after weeks of wondering why .ml, I should’ve figured this out by myself… Beware, sleep deficit is real!
It’ll be fun when Tuvalu decides to take back .tv
1/12th of their national income is from .tv so they’ll have sunk before that happens…
But isn’t that day also nearing at a drastic rate? I feel like they’ve been on the brink to Atlantis for a while now.
AFAIK they won’t pass this decade, yes
Damn. How does that work out logistically speaking?
Climate refugees will have to find new homes. I would imagine New Zealand and Tahiti would absorb the couple-thousand people as they are the closest larger Pacific Island nations. Australia is less friendly to immigrants.
It’s a major human rights crisis that no one really talks about.
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At least Montenegro profits from .me
The Chagos Islanders get nothing from .io which is controlled by their oppressive colonizers.
It looks like the TLD was sold off to a private business by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority in 1997, with those rights subsequently being sold on to other corporations.
The British government have issued an FOI response advising that they recieve no funds from .io domain registrations. The Chagos Islanders still don’t benefit, but it looks like that’d need to be squared with a hedge fund rather than a government.
…It is weird that territorial domains can be auctioned off in the first place though.
I’d forgotten that detail. IANA couldn’t have sold it to a British businessman without the permission of the Brits as they ruled over the territory.
Chagos Islanders want it but I doubt they will ever get it.
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Today I learn
There is nothing for them to take back, they have company that manages .me… so it’s theirs to selm to you.
Well, this is just weird. When I was migrating from Reddit to this fediverse world I chose .ml and thought it was short for “machine learning” which seemed as a cool domain for me at the time.
FYI, two letter TLDs are country/region/jurisdiction specific. There’s an ISO standard for that.
.tvTuvalu.meMontenegro.fm(Federation of) Micronesia
Some countries append additional modifiers to classify their uses:
.ukUnited Kingdom.co.ukCompany- …
Three or more are generic (traditional or new)
.com,.net,.org, …
In some cases, Uncle Sam said “first!” and it stuck.
.eduEducation (MURICA).milMilitary (MURRICA).govGovernment (MURRRICA)
Just like what happens with Mali, what some silicon valley hipsters decide as a ‘fun’ acronym is just that, a fun thought. If the corresponding government decides to take away a specific domain, they probably can.
.mil Military (MURRICA)
That is what made this whole .ml problem. Some people have apparently accidentally leaked American state secrets to Mali by typo.
That’s a poor excuse. If something is secret or higher it has a different TLD. The SIPRnet uses .smil for example. There are also tools at the boundaries that don’t allow going from SIPR to NIPR unless they meet specific criteria. Basically you can only leak those secrets accidentally if they were already on a system they shouldn’t have been on.
Additionally, competent IT would make this fuck up impossible. I’m shocked that they didn’t whitelist TLDs and block all others.
Classified and top are in a separate system that can’t leak.
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.eduEducation (MURICA)
.eduis not only american. For example I know many schools in France have.edudomains and emails, and I believe it’s the case in many more countries.In 2001 it was limited to US educational institutions only, all registrations prior were grandfathered in.
Although I haven’t got a clue why my non-US university, founded in 2009, has a .edu domain.
I did not know that. That’s not cool
Australia doesn’t. We’re all .edu.au
Edit: here is the list of who uses it. Stands for academia if it wasn’t self evident to anyone else either.
2nd edit: having trouble with escaping characters in the link so it’s defaulting to the ac page when it should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ac_(second-level_domain)
Sorry, remembered wrong.
Stands to reason, you guys like .com.au instead of .co.wherever as well.
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And io belongs to the British Indian Ocean Territory.
There are thousands of gTLDs now, though. But most of them are brand names.
What about .world?
That’s a generic top-level domain. It is not associated with any country. It belongs to “Identity Digital Inc.”.
Interesting, thanks
Thanks for the clarification. If this instance goes down please someone start an ‘‘lemmy.ai’’ instance. I want to follow the same logic that I went with since the beginning.
No, it’s Mali.
The rumour is that lemmy devs chose it to mean “marxist leninist” but I think it’s more likely they wanted a free domain name.
The rumor is fake, the devs have said it multiple times. If they would have wanted to do some funny Marxism meme they would have used .su
Maybe they didn’t choose it for that, but to be fair they are definitely and admittedly Marxist-Leninists
Yes, as there are plenty of other developers who are openly liberals or some other flavour of capitalism. You don’t need to agree with the developers political choices all the time to use their software.
Right. My statement was one of fact, not trying to say it’s a bad thing. I’m a Marxist-Leninist as well.
Hello there comrade! Nice to have you here!
Yeah they are, so if they did choose .ml for that reason they would have no problem admitting it also. So it’s pretty clear that they just wanted a free domain.
SU = Soviet Union
Don’t you need to be a citizen of a CIS nation to get a .su domain?
It depends on the registrar.
I mean, I knew it was a country top level domain but I was told Dessalines intended the “ml” as an abbreviation for “marxist-leninist”
That is not true, he has said multiple times it was used because it was free.
Some Lemmygrad dude bragged about that… Should have known it was wrong.
Anyways, thx for the clarification
Sounds like it will if Mali decides to take back .ml as Gabon apparently did for .ga. background here https://domainincite.com/28814-millions-of-domains-to-be-deleted-as-freenom-loses-its-first-tld
$ whois lemmy.ml WHOIS lookup for LEMMY.ML can temporarily not be answered. Please try again. ERROR: domain not found: $But it’s still in my DNS cache
Certified Lemmy Moment
Hello hello is this working
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