Remember, there’s no revenue to compete over here. Analyses that depend on standard capitalist competition should be expected to not only be inaccurate here, but incoherent. They simply don’t describe the actual incentives for people’s behavior.

Maybe, but its just a model. You need to be more specific. I want at least a counter-example ;)

From a game theory perspective: You have no reason to believe that this specific payoff matrix actually describes the situation here. There are lots of other games besides the Prisoners Dilemma. Are you really sure you’re not looking at a Stag Hunt, or a Battle of the Sexes (terrible name, but that’s what the papers call it)?

Oh, I think you are right. Stag Hunt does fit better … But I think it doesn’t change anything about the overall argumentation (I think I actually accidentally used the numbers of stag hunt in the picture)

Oh, shit, I actually got the numbers wrong. For the prisoners dilemma, it should be (-1, -1) in the bottom-right corner

I kinda disagree, /r/all was amazing way back before they started fuckin with it. That was the best way to discover new communities once upon a time.

But I do admit the firehouse approach isn’t for those looking for a refreshing glass of water.

Using m/all is how i find a lot of the content I like. There’s a lot of magazine blocking to get rid of the trash I don’t want, and that allows me to get a moderately different feed than my main subscription page.

It’s partly FOMO. The feeling that even with extensive subscriptions, there might be interesting content that the user would miss because they aren’t subscribed. That and some users just want to discover new stuff that they might not otherwise know they were interested in just because they never had the chance to see it.

I’ll never really understand why people want anything but a subscribed feed.

You got lots of answers in favor of All, so here’s my contribution for Local: It makes sense for themed instances. Examples:

• https://mander.xyz/ to see science things
• https://startrek.website/ to see star trek things

The Local feeds of these instances basically act as a merged view of all their individual communities. Which is a frequently requested feature in another context.

Personally, I almost exclusively use Subscribed (since I’m also not interested in themed instances), but there are reasons for All and Local.

I never browsed all on reddit all the years I was on it.

I get posts from other communities in my home feed

Its not like I want to force them. It’s just criticism. If they are part of a federated network, they also get some merits out of it (user engagement) and so they should give something back in return. This will become more pressing if Threads joins the Fediverse. It could flood the fediverse with its own posts while putting the posts of their network front and center in their UI eventually draining the Fediverse off its energy (which of course we could prevent by defederating in the worst case …)

Can you please explain what that means for non-mastodon users. As far as I know about lemmy, which granted isn’t much, local posts are not hidden from all, meaning it already is a consolidated local and all feed.

Right, but you are on lemmy.world I presume, which is the biggest Lemmy instance. Their posts get much attention that’s why they also appear in your all-feed. But let’s say you are on a very small Lemmy instance with only two communities. These posts will almost never appear in your All-feed, which is why the admin will prevarably put the local-feed as default, which makes total sense to me, but is not ideal for the overall network.

On mastodon, you have an explore-feed, on which you have popular posts from federated instances and your local ones (I at least think that it works that way).

I use all constantly, local occasionally, and subscribed rarely at this point.

That may change but that’s how I typically use Lemmy as it stands today.

I do the exact same as you, with the exception of a few topic-specific instances, where the local communities are only about that topic. There I will actually use Local as default.

At least on my Kbin instance, going in All and Local opens me up to doom-and-gloom “big corporation and alt-right bad” news and outrage bait.

I agree wholeheartedly with “big corporation and alt-right bad” and that they’re the cause of too many of the world’s big serious problems. I’d also rather spend my time on Kbin enjoying what I see instead of getting mad. I can already find out what horrible thing a corporation or alt-right politician has done from the regular news, without the understandable but exhausting comment chain of outrage.

Even without an algorithm shoving it down your throat, outrage bait will rise to popular status on its own. Unfortunately, getting mad at and feeling superior to the idiotsincars, choosingbeggars, etc. is kind of crack to our brains. I’m no exception, which is why I have to only look at /sub. I have to keep it out of sight, because if it’s in my feed, I’ll click on it and get mad too.

So how do I find new stuff? There’s a lot of communities out there whose purpose is to advertise other communities. I subscribe to those.

No, they are on different instances.

If you promote the local feed, your posts get attention, which means user engagement. So, user engagement would have a trend to stay in its own instance, which results in bubbles and is certainly not good for discussion quality.

Subscribed feed is great, I have nothing against that. I also don’t have anything against the other two. I just think there should be another one.

Interesting. And what would that mean for the problem at hand?

Maybe like that: Moderators would need to know that there is some consequence to protect their instance. For example, because then other instances would defederate or because users would join other, more open instances. That would be my suggestion for some kind of social pressure.

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