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    I don’t hate you. I think you’re incredibly naive, and I think you’ve likely inadvertently consumed Russian propaganda specifically designed to split the left in the United States, but that doesn’t make me hate you.

    It just makes me sad.

    I have a couple kids, as I mentioned, both LGBTQ+. People like you, I don’t think you intend my kids harm. But your vote will potentially boost Donald Trump. And your rhetoric online, if successful, would further boost Donald Trump. And Trump is a direct threat to my kids.

    So no, I don’t hate you. But I’m scared of what you and people like you could do to my kids in the name of ideological purity.

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      inadvertently consumed Russian propaganda

      But half of the country is not voting for Harris. Not everyone is under the influence of Russian propaganda. Lots of people just have a different opinion.

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        I’m going to blow your mind:

        https://www.prri.org/press-release/new-prri-report-reveals-nearly-one-in-five-americans-and-one-in-four-republicans-still-believe-in-qanon-conspiracy-theories/

        It’s certainly not half the country, but a shockingly, disturbingly large portion of the Republican electorate fell for “QAnon” junk being spread largely by Russian sources posing as conservatives. The left is far less susceptible to outright propaganda tactics like that, but Russia is pushing for division extremely hard.

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          And from how many people here who think that every single poster who isn’t voting for Harris, is some paid russian agent, it seems like a pretty big chunk of the Democrat electorate is gullible and paranoid too.

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            You need to account for sampling bias. This is a forum that strongly attracts a self-selecting group comprised almost entirely of those on the left. Very few Republicans actually find their way here, and the few that do are typically downvoted into oblivion.

            At the same time, there’s a flood of supposedly leftist accounts, most new, trying desperately to get Trump elected, at the same time as news comes out that… well, that Russia is doing an awful lot of that shit.

            So people here are suspicious.

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              This is a forum that strongly attracts a self-selecting group comprised almost entirely of those on the left. Very few Republicans actually find their way here, and the few that do are typically downvoted into oblivion.

              So then why would Russian lackey’s come and post in a forum where they know no one will change their minds?

              So actually your argument proves to me that they are not Russians trying to turn the vote. I get accused of being Russian, every single day here. lol

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                I thought that would be obvious. Again, this is a self-selecting group of lefty folks. If someone works in one of Russia’s troll farms, and their job today is to try to divide the left, then they’re gonna go to where the left hangs out.

                If someone like that shows up shouting, “Trump 2024! MAGA!” then they’re not going to make any headway. Like I said, Republicans here tend to get downvoted into oblivion.

                So instead, they show up and go, “I’m a lefty, too. Very left. In fact, I’m so leftilicious that I hate Harris. Don’t vote for Harris, she’s just like the Republicans! Instead, vote for [INSERT CANDIDATE WITH NO CHANCE OF WINNING]! Because believe me, [INSERT CANDIDATE WITH NO CHANCE OF WINNING] is much, much better! Be ideologically pure! And whatever you do, don’t worry about Donald Trump becoming president, because I’m sure that with enough of us voting for them, [INSERT CANDIDATE WITH NO CHANCE OF WINNING] will totes win!”

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                  So instead, they show up and go, “I’m a lefty, too. Very left. In fact, I’m so leftilicious that I hate Harris.

                  And they get downvoted to oblivion. And even stalked. It happened to me actually! lol

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                    It’s true, they do. But not always. It depends on how many there are in any given post, spam-upvoting each other. And… it depends on how successful their divisive arguments are. As far as they’re concerned, it doesn’t matter if 99% of the time they fail to get traction. They’re going for that 1%, that one susceptible person who can be convinced to throw their vote away on a third-party candidate in a FPTP election where that vote has a 0% chance of electing that third-party candidate.

                    Personally, I don’t think you’re one of the Russian trolls. I think you’re one of their victims.