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The goddamn system is only a year and a half old, and is finally seeing a wider adoption. If they added a new SKU into the market, it would only confuse and piss off the people who already bought one. These stories about Steam Deck “refreshes” and “upgrades” are fucking stupid, and I hope the shithouses that put them out don’t get any review units when the real one finally does hit the market.
It’s how the Chinese handhelds (Retroid and Anbernic, etc) do it they release a new model every few months. I guess they expected Valve to take that approach instead of a console generation approach.
Personally I’d hate it if they did that. Do one every 4-5 years and let the upgrade be significant.
@GreenMario @chemical_cutthroat how long do you expect wide adoption to occur? Also, anyone know of libre software sites?
The Steam Deck adds something incredibly valuable that the PC market has never had: a consistent target spec for minimum hardware requirements. Upgrading every couple years would create confusion for which version for developers to focus on. They are treating it like a console, not a PC.
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We all know there won’t be a Deck 3. So I hope they take their time on making the second one perfect.
What about Deck 2 Revision 1 & 2?
Rofl
They just call it “4” just to fuck with people
Steam Deck ][
- 2025: Steam Deck 2
- 2045: Steam Deck 3
- 2050: Steam Deck Eternal
2048: Steam Deck
Steam Deck: Alyx
And it’ll be a pre-built desktop, or something.
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It’s in reference to Valve being unable to count to 3
Valve only releases two games in a series and stops before a third.
On everything, it’s basically a meme at this point about valve not being able to count to three.
I’m glad they are not rushing a new one out until there is some genuine leap in the tech. I think we have become accustomed to pointless upgrades every year which offer nothing substantial other than lining some shareholders pockets.
In my case the longer they take the better 😊
The console approach of 3-4 year refreshes
7840u is a substantially better apu though
Yes I get that but personally I have a huge backlog to get through and there are lots more games the current one can run that have to come down in price too so I’ll be busy for a long time before I start looking for a new one.
That’s good. A Steam Deck 2 might make sense once there’s an APU with double the performance at the same 15W.
Current APU’s are faster per watt, but only at higher power consumption. This means either the battery life sucks, or the handheld is too heavy and expensive with a giant battery.
The current handhelds by other manufacturers are faster, but only a bit. 120Hz are nice, but I don’t even reach 60fps on most titles and it consumes too much power. Games might perform a bit better but everything is still also playable on the SD, so there’s no real point in releasing a second generation. All these devices fill the same niche.
What I expect is a refresh of the SD with an OLED display. Maybe even with VRR and HDR, now that SteamOS has support for it. Farther down the wish list are hall effect joysticks.
I’d like similar things to you as well, which is for the the Deck to get more efficient per watt. On my wishlist:
- VRR
- better display
- lighter and thinner
- better airflow / cooler and quieter (but keep the new fan smell)
- better battery life without compromising size / heat
5a. alternatively, make the battery detachable so we can carry multiple around.
I want long lasting fan smell as well, i was like a feline on catnip the whole first months
However the size is fine for me, but the battery needs a serious buff
Better screen will impact the battery unfortunately
Give us a little tank that we can fill with liquid so the fans stay smelly.
High refresh rates and VRR go hand to hand, so you’d still want that if you want VRR. You just limit the framerate to 60fps or lower if you don’t want the hit to battery life.
As an Australian, I’m not expecting a Steam Deck at all.
If you can deal with the issues of grey import, it’s trivially easy to get one here now. I got a 64gb from Kogan, and since I’m rolling the dice with warranty - did a 1tb SSD upgrade myself.
Definitely happy with my purchase it’s an awesome machine
Putting in your own 1TB SSD is so easy I wouldn’t even worry about the whole warranty thing. Just follow along with a YouTube video and you’re done in 10 minutes.
It sure is! The only two things I mention for people thinking of doing it:
- Eject the micro SD card first!
- Get a decent small screwdriver and be careful with the screws as they have a bit of thread lock on them and I found it was pretty easy to strip. Nearly had one do that for me which was a bit stressful.
But other than that it’s a piece of cake and plenty of guides getting the os on the new drive.
Kogan provides a year warranty tho… so it’s not exactly a grey import (like fly by night eBay seller)
I think you might have to cover shipping for repairs tho if you don’t have their extended warranty.
I think they have to provide that warranty by law tho
It’s true but from what I have heard it can be a bit of a ball ache getting the warranty with them, but that’s par for the course for grey import so nothing really special about Kogan. They may have a better reputation than most, but with an import you accept it could be a hassle.
That said, I think going with the cheapest and upgrading the SSD is the best choice.
Also wouldn’t hold my breath that if/when a local steam deck is released, it will be at all competitively priced.
Dude, just buy one… pay the extra money and get one, I did and I cant put it down… kogan is where I got mine
It’s still fulfilling its role well. Meanwhile, the Index is getting pretty old compared to current-gen VR headsets. It’s still a fantastic headset, but it would be nice to have something smaller, lighter, and wireless.
Bigscreen’s Beyond headset should be looked at as something the next wave of VR headsets should strive for.
I think we are getting close to the Deckard being announced, the successor to the Index. Hopefully they do hand controller refresh/redesign, the joystick potentiometer they used in the Index Controllers were dog shit.
True. Thankfully, it’s a common part, so I was able to replace mine relatively easily and it’s held up well.
If it is a Deckard coming soon, I’ll definitely be working out for one.
I think we are getting close to the Deckard being announced, the successor to the Index.
Hopefully it’s cheaper and more widely available than the Index. I’m waiting for it because I don’t want to deal with Windows anymore for anything, and VR is one of the last requirements.
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Good. Two years is too short of a time for a hardware generation.
I agree, and tbh everything I throw at my deck, it just handles it, a play things like oxygen not included and modded minecraft, I love my deck
Idc about steam deck 2 because I’ve already got a steam deck I’m happy with.
good, I’m sick of companies being like “hey here’s the new version of insert product that worked in every category here, as such as are not supporting the old device anymore, but don’t worry the new version has sparkles on the menus!”
Too true
I’m not after a Steam Deck v2, but I’d love a v1.1 with Thunderbolt support. I’ll buy a Steam Deck the moment it will happily play with an eGPU without a Dremel getting involved.
Holy shit that would be amazing.
I’d seriously regret buying mine if that came out.
That said, I play mine so much the plastic is getting smooth haha.
Currently the ROG Ally is the only one of these with eGPU support, right? And it’s still only for their proprietary ones?
There’s so many. And GPD devices even have native pcie out via oculink
The only thing I wish they had done is an OLED screen.
I heard they tried to buy some panels from Samsung but they wanted such a huge amount per product that it would’ve raised the steam decks price way beyond of most consumers product. You can make more money by selling a cheaper product to more people rather than a premium product to a select few.
I’m not familiar with the topic but couldn’t they cut straight to the source and directly contact Corning? Or alternatively, one of those Chinese high end OLED knock offs? I’ve heard they’re basically less than 1 generation apart in terms of quality.
edit: alternatively, I assume all cables/connectors are standard. What’s preventing Jim next door from starting a group buy to manufacture replacement OLED screens/upgrade kits?
is lg still in this space? maybe Sony they make camera lens I think
I wonder whether, when the faster Steam Deck 2 comes, it may have ditched the x86 architecture altogether and leapt to a high-performance ARM CPU, yielding more power per watt and generating less heat. If so, that would presumably require Proton to be supplemented with a Rosetta-style translation engine that can convert x86 machine code into ARM.
Currently, outside of Apple’s proprietary M/A-series CPUs, there don’t appear to be high-performance ARM CPUs that would fill such a role, though this probably won’t still be the case in a few years.
I’d say while it’s possible it’s unlikely, remember that they’re running PC games, all based on X86, the work needed to make Wine/Proton run all of that well on a different CPU set is significant, and would likely break compatibility in unexpected ways, effectively bringing all the recent wins moot and bringing Proton backwards. Definitely something that will likely happen, but more of a long-term goal (unless it’s already in progress and with advances, no idea, but we would all have heard of it already if it was a thing)
With the timeframe this is likely to happen over, it might be RISC-V instead of ARM since that’s an open source hardware platform and ARM seems to be joining enshittification trends (starting with worse licensing terms)
There allready is a transition layer that can be used so they wouldnt have to start from scratch. Box86/64
there already is a project for x86 to ARM translation on Linux called box86, and there’s another one for x86_64 called box64 havent heard about them in a while but I remember seeing a video of someone playing doom 3 on a raspberry pi with it so it seems very promising
with a Rosetta-style translation
Apple fans before their favorite binary translator came out: qemur? Eww… ELBRUS with lintel? Ewwwwww, you suck in past century!
Apple fans after their favorite binary translator came out: We have the Never Seen Before™ technology that was pionered by company we mindlessly praise.
outside of Apple’s proprietary M/A-series CPUs, there don’t appear to be high-performance ARM CPUs that would fill such a role, though this probably won’t still be the case in a few years.
They exists for many years. There are HPC cores in Cortex-A, entire Cortex-X and super HPC Neoverse cores, but they are rarely seen outside of datacenters.
Honestly this is a good thing, IMO. If we ever want devs to optimize for a given device, they need to know that it won’t be obsolete immediately. Hopefully seeing that Valve isn’t rushing to make a new device will give them confidence in that.
