Just curious to see what people are up to. I’ve been using Nixos for a while. It’s fabulous and I have absolutely no reason to switch, but part of me is itching to hop to Debian or maybe OpenSUSE. How about you?

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    I’ve never really understood distro-hopping. Unless you have a reason to switch, why to do it? Or, why to bother?

    If you want to check it out, read/watch a review, or test it on a virtual machine. You don’t really – IMO – have a reason to have it on bare metal.

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      Yes, if you’ve found your distro, I also don’t see a point in switching, there’s more important stuff than learning how to install and setup your distro everytime you hop. I only hopped, when I wanted to have a clean install because my previous was kinda broken (dirty state over time), and/or wanted to have more control, or try a different desktop-environment. I have now found a distro (NixOS) where I can have all of that at the same time (so no point in hopping anymore for me too).

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    I don’t. I just use Debian, because it’s the oldest, most popular, most (API) stable distro out there. I have zero needs to switch. I’m sick of OS’ (i.e. Windows) that keep moving/switching/changing things around in massive ways, just for the sake of change. I know they do it to stay fresh in the market, but that’s simply not it for me anymore.

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      it’s the oldest, most popular, most (API) stable distro out there I’d say that’s Slackware.

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    Never… isn’t that normal?

    I run a variety of VMs, and the VMs can run any distro, I’m pretty agnostic about it.

    As far as my user interface goes once I’ve got it tweaked and set up I don’t want to ever change it. But I’m one of those crazy people who runs macOS as UI, and a fleet of VMs below it.

    And at various companies I work for, I run Windows, with a fleet of VMs below that.

    On my secure console I run Qubes with a fleet of VMs below that.

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    1 year ago

    I did about once a year until 2018 when I settled on Arch.

    But now I’ve got a server on NixOS and loving it, so I might be switching my laptop soon.

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      I use NixOs btw Its awesome. Having a stable system config with home-mangere for the user env is pretty nice to just play around with the security of always being able to switch back to a working generation (some exceptions may apply).

      I was messing with the hardware config (which has a warning not to mess with it if you dont know what you are doing) and corrupted my drives.

      I got my previous system back from a clean install in 30 minutes.

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        Yes, it certainly invites you to tinker and experiment with the system without having to fear a broken state. I got multiple forks for different applications (e.g. helix-editor with a few merged PRs), and configured the system in a detail not comparable to any previous distros I was on. Really like how I can e.g. carelessly switch between different desktop environments (without VM)…

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    I don’t, I’ve been on arch since 2012 when I left xubuntu. This install has been in many different machines and started life on a HDD and is now on an nvme.

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    Whenever my sound card randomly stops working and I can’t fix it. I switch to a different distro in hope that someone has this mess figured out by now.

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    I test distros at work that I wouldn’t test at home 😅 And every time I have to reinstall it because of some error, most notabe one was some BTRFS error. Sooo, every 2-3 years or so?

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    I’m a non hopper guy. In 2008 wiped out Windows XP to switch fulltime to Ubuntu. Never hopped to any other distro until 13 years later in 2021 to Manjaro (based on Arch, but with changes and updates come in waves). Used it 1.5 years and was not happy and switched to EndeavourOS (closely based on Arch) and still use it, even after a new installation on a new machine. I thought about switching the distro, but it works so good and well and has what I need. NixOS was on my radar, but ultimately it would be too much of an experiment, change and needed time to learn. The uncertainty what to expect made me stay with what I know, as there was no reason for a change in my case.

    The reason why I don’t change too often the system is probably because I inform myself and know what to expect. Therefore the thing I chose is probably exactly what I want.

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          I installed Arch the Archway once on my old laptop, just to learn the standard procedure. At the moment, I don’t see any reason for myself (other than learning) to use bare Arch over EndeavourOS, which is very close to it, but with some bells and whistles and some pre configurations. Which does not mean others have no reason, I just talk for myself.

          Also Arch nowadays have an installer script on the terminal, which makes things easier, but I never used it. I see it as a stopover between Calamares and manual Archway installation.

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          It’s a common English idiom, referring to something that is difficult or taxing to accomplish, often without payoff.

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            I see. To me using EndeavourOS is not bending over backwards, because it is not more difficult than using bare metal Archlinux. Just saying, because you say you don’t understand people doing that. I don’t do it. EndeavourOS makes it more easy and less headache to use Arch in my opinion. And from that perspective, it’s a win situation.

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      13 years on Ubuntu deserves some kind of prize! It was my gateway into Linux back in 2006 but they started to lose their way with the Gorilla release. I like the look of EOS tho.

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    I started using Linux about 6 years ago. First 3 years were a hopping-hell. The other 3 have been with Arch, Manjaro then made the jump to endeavourOS almost 1.5 years ago and haven’t gone anywhere else, and not planning on it at all. Just realized that hopping was just useless. Now I can finally set it up and enjoy my system.

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      That’s basically been my path - I started with Ubuntu in 2007, then Mint, then Fedora, then BLAG, Crunchbang, god knows how many others, and then finally, Arch. After being on arch for a few years, I switched to Antergos, and endeavorOS when Antergos was retired (rip in peace, I loved it).

      I’ve been steady with Arch/Antergos/EndeavourOS for the better part of a decade and I have no inclination to hop any more.

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        Yeah, Arch and what comes from it are great. I never have to worry about flatpaks or snaps or any of that. Just have my snapshots set up and I’m good to go

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    I started with Backtrack on a laptop, and I currently have Kali on a preserved USB; with endeavor as a daily driver.

    That being said, my current “real” daily drivers in Win10, mostly for gaming - Not because proton doesn’t do a hell of a job, it certainly does, but it makes modding single player games more complicated. I will say that is absolutely my fault, I haven’t spent enough time to figure it out. But after work, and the wife, and the animals, and the alcoholic BIL who shares the house… I just want to use Vortex to add some simple QOL mods to single player games and play it.

    I troubleshoot IT issues all day at work, at the end of the day, I just need it to work. I’ve hardened and removed as much telemetry type bullshit as I could, but I’m sure some slips out. For my threat model, on this machine, I’m fine with it.

    On the aforementioned labtop I boot into Kali for… well, that has a different threat model.

    Its all self hosted vulnerable VMs for the specific reason of education, but some activities may fall into a grey area, so better safe than sorry.

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    I think it’s healthy to give every distro a try to see how it feels, because your favorite distro might be something you haven’t used yet. Personally I’ve already used all the distros a decent amount and I don’t switch without a good reason.

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    I’m pretty happy on Arch atm. The only things I’d need to change would be the window manager (Sway) or maybe the file manager. I switched from Nemo to Ranger and it’s been so good.

    My current plan is to integrate dust (the file size viewer thing) with ranger so I can see how much storage files are using in the directory I’m viewing. I need to find out where I can edit Ranger’s functionality to accommodate this. I might have to resort to cloning the repo.

    I enjoy Arch’s DIY approach. I can tailor my system to how I want and if I’m not happy with a certain part I can change it.

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      Arch is great. I used it for a few years back in the day, but it kept breaking stuff. I hear it’s more stable now but I don’t have time to be fixing things all the time.

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      Welcome to the club. Nixos is fabulous. There’s a steep learning curve though, and I still don’t really get flakes and home manager.

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        Oh, it’s very simple. Home-manager is something not yet finalized, optional and unofficial. Flakes was added in Nix 2.4, but you don’t have to use it all. You don’t want to add unnecessary complications. You can do without home-manager and flakes on a single-user machine. This is just one of the system configuration options. I have tried deploying the system with flakes/home-manager, done it with docker and even with nix-env. The performance gain is not noticeable.

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          HM seems worth the effort only if you do a lot of customizing and tweaks to your home setup. Would that be an accurate assessment?

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            Home manager and flakes is something optional in today’s NixOS. I don’t see any obvious use for a single-user home system. Of course, many people go the flakes-setup route. NixOS has many customization options, up to and including docker installation.

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    I have hopped rather rarely. I think my journey started with Debian -> (all kinds of flavors of) Ubuntu -> Arch -> NixOS.

    Maybe I missed a few (started with linux at probably ~2005). I’ve stayed on each of these for a few years, I think I switched between Ubuntu flavors a little bit more frequently. Stayed on Arch the longest for ~7 years. And I think I have basically settled now since 3 1/2 years on NixOS without plan to hop any further distros (unless there comes a distro comparable to NixOS that has less quirks and is generally nicer to use (e.g. tooling, strong, strict static typing etc.)).

    NixOS is quite different than other distros (which IMO are all very similar) but does package-management+system-configuration basically how it should be done (in hindsight). It’s a rather steep learning curve in the beginning, but it only gets better over time, since your system continuously improves, compared to different distros that accumulate dirty state over time and in one way or the other break after some time. This was often the reason why I hopped on a different distro, since I wanted a clean fresh install, which I get with something like Impermanence+tmpfs on root after each reboot.

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      I was going to try installing NixOs on a partition on a spare laptop, but it didn’t like the fact that the rest of the disk was btrfs. I didn’t have that much time to dedicate to figuring it out, but lack of btrfs support was disappointing.

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        lack of btrfs support was disappointing

        NixOS supports Btrfs

        AFAIK NixOS supports every filesystem, that other linux distros support, and often with easier/better configuration, e.g. I’m using ZFS, which seems to be easier to setup on NixOS than on most other distros.

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          But does it work with the installer? I couldn’t get the installer to work, and saw there were other people who had problems. (thanks for the link btw. I will definitely try and give it another spin).

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            installer

            You mean the “new” installer GUI? I never used it TBH, I always did partitioning (and everything else) via CLI, not sure about that. But NixOS (gnome version) has GParted and all other kinds of partitioning tools on board, so just partition it as you think it’s best and then generate a config via nixos-generate-config as described in the manual. One tip, when going down that rabbit hole (when you’re committing at least): Start with Nix flakes right away. Checkout all kinds of dotfiles in github of other users (and on github there are a lot of configurations that can be source of inspiration).