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    19 days ago

    You’re saying a large group of voters is NOT voting for Harris, but would if she said these words. Yet if Trump says these words those same voters would NOT vote for him? Why would those voters NOT vote for Trump? This should be an easy answer for you, embarrassingly easy even.

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      19 days ago

      What? Most maga folks are super into what is happening re Israel/gaza

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          19 days ago

          Why would he say that to a base that doesn’t want to hear it? His base is cool with what’s happening in gaza

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            18 days ago

            I’m starting to realize partial_acumen is either an idiot or arguing in bad faith and I don’t know why I argued with them for so long.

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              19 days ago

              Everything I’ve said has been quite clear. Achieve your own conclusions.

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                19 days ago

                He’s trying to do a gotcha thing where he’s saying that the democrats will lose as much votes as they’ll gain, same as the republicans, if they take an anti genocide stance. Which is a moronic thing to say when democrats are also preemptively blaming leftists for a possible harris loss because they’re taking a hard stance on genocide and trying to pressure Harris to also take this stance. It’s extra mega dumb.

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                  19 days ago

                  He’s trying to do a gotcha thing

                  Its not a “gotcha”, its the Socratic method.

                  where he’s saying that the democrats will lose as much votes as they’ll gain, same as the republicans, if they take an anti genocide stance.

                  No. Democrats will lose more votes than they gain. I don’t like Israels actions, but withholding a vote to Harris guarantees far worse treatment of the Muslim world (and anyone not white and rich) under Trump. Its why Harris hasn’t said your magic words. I don’t like the world is this way, but just wishing it was different isn’t enough.

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                    19 days ago

                    Well if it doesn’t matter anyway in your opinion, then you won’t mind if I continue to criticize Harris about how she and the Biden administration is handling it and not give a shit if it’s a hard line issue for me that I’m not willing to cross.

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      19 days ago

      Well you better tell that to every liberal who blames the left for not voting for Harris over the Gaza issue if she loses then.

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        Well you better tell that to every liberal who blames the left for not voting for Harris over the Gaza issue if she loses then.

        If they want to sit on their hands and not vote for Harris, that is their choice and their right. I disagree with them. If it ushers in a victory for Trump, they will have done themselves (and the rest of us) more harm than any words I could say then.

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          18 days ago

          I just don’t think I’ll ever see eye to eye with someone who doesn’t think applying pressure to politicians to stop promoting genocide is the right thing to do. I just do not understand that lapse in morality and logic at all. I hope I never do.

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            I just don’t think I’ll ever see eye to eye with someone who doesn’t think applying pressure to politicians to stop promoting genocide is the right thing to do.

            Keep applying pressure to Harris, but withholding a vote from her will mean much more violence against many more innocent people around the world when you help Trump win.

            I just do not understand that lapse in morality and logic at all.

            Withholding a Harris vote because you abhor violence is you embracing morality blind to logic that you want to stop violence.

            In life we don’t always get the chance to make the “best” choice and are left instead to make the “least worse”. This is one of those times.

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              And how do you apply pressure to someone without withholding your vote exactly? Because you guys sure didn’t do the whole “Hold his feet to the fire” shit with Biden, so tell me what will be different this time.

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                  18 days ago

                  You threaten to withhold votes until your candidate stops supporting genocide. I don’t understand what liberals don’t get about this.